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    Hey guys!
    Ozeymums girl wasn't mauled by the dog, she didn't sustain serious injuries, she wasn't scarred by the incident....she finally learned that when her mum says don't pick the dog up, you don't pick it up. The kids obviously still love the dog and the dog is good with them as long as he doesn't get picked up everyone is happy.

    Anyway lets remember this thread is about Cowgirls little dog.
    I just saw Cowgirls post from a few weeks ago and
    OMG!
    The dog had been kicked by a horse 3 times - resulted in a trip to the vet each time. Could this be the reason for his behaviours? Neurological probs? etc

    He's 'very aggressive with our other dog' 'he will attack her for no reason'

    'He has to be locked in a room if we get visitors with small children as he runs out and bites them'

    He is extremely territorial now and his aggression towards people and other dogs is getting out of hand'

    'I've tried putting him outside when he's bitten someone inside and vice versa'

    'The dog is 'completely un trustworthy with the children and visitors.'

    Áfter reading this i'm not suprised that the dog bit the child. The little dog has had problems that had not been dealt with for a long time.

    Cowgirl!
    -Desexing the little guy is a good idea.
    -Talking to the vet about his behaviour is must
    -A health check up is a good idea
    - A referral to a behaviourist is also.
    All the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena View Post
    Hey guys!
    Ozeymums girl wasn't mauled by the dog, she didn't sustain serious injuries, she wasn't scarred by the incident....she finally learned that when her mum says don't pick the dog up, you don't pick it up. The kids obviously still love the dog and the dog is good with them as long as he doesn't get picked up everyone is happy.

    Anyway lets remember this thread is about Cowgirls little dog.
    I just saw Cowgirls post from a few weeks ago and
    OMG!
    The dog had been kicked by a horse 3 times - resulted in a trip to the vet each time. Could this be the reason for his behaviours? Neurological probs? etc

    He's 'very aggressive with our other dog' 'he will attack her for no reason'

    'He has to be locked in a room if we get visitors with small children as he runs out and bites them'

    He is extremely territorial now and his aggression towards people and other dogs is getting out of hand'

    'I've tried putting him outside when he's bitten someone inside and vice versa'

    'The dog is 'completely un trustworthy with the children and visitors.'

    Áfter reading this i'm not suprised that the dog bit the child. The little dog has had problems that had not been dealt with for a long time.

    Cowgirl!
    -Desexing the little guy is a good idea.
    -Talking to the vet about his behaviour is must
    -A health check up is a good idea
    - A referral to a behaviourist is also.
    All the best!


    Oh good grief!!
    The dog was not safe around visitors or children.
    The OP ( sorry Cowgirl but its the truth) still allowed her children around the dog and child gets bitten.

    For crying out loud ,the dog needs to be PTS and I would be utterly disgusted at someone who rehomed a dog with so much issue .
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    Hi Ozeymum

    I agree that this is very individual. I dont see it as black and white at all...

    After reading Maggies post with some background given, this is even more concerning.

    I urge the OP to seek a very good behaviourist to guide you through this time.

    I have seen behaviourists work with dogs with some serious issues!!

    Worst case senario they will recommend pts. If that is the advice or recomendation made after the dog is assesed you will know you have done your very best.

    An example of vets being bitten is not a good example at all. Vet surrgeries are very different from a dogs home environment and family. Vets also use quite invasive techniques to find out what is happening for a dog. Dogs are also often unwell, out of sorts and they may have not met the vet, vetnurses or staff. They are also often waiting with strange dogs, people and other animals they have never met.

    The example of rescued pets is also another bad example, Though i dont have time to go into that just now.

    I have said already that this is an accident waiting to happen. Once a child is bitten and serious injury (or worse) occurs there is no turning back.

    After reading the back ground re this little dog rehoming him, even with full disclosure would be irresponsible to say the least.

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    Well, in my own defence I guess I'll reply.

    We have since moved house, thus creating a different set of rules/ different people, fencing, scenarios for all of our dogs.

    I respect your opinion of course and you are entitled to speak your mind but I don't accept the fact that you seem to think I am some sort of irresponsible mother.

    Yes perhaps he has (alot) of behavioural problems, perhaps it is neurological, he is very tiny and as I have stated before he has not always been this way. I don't know if it is possible for a dog to be consumed with grief and change personality wise but this is what seems to have happened.

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    Hi Billy, thanks for your post...and Mags too

    I am glad that you posted the background of this little dog to refresh our memory as I didn't realise he's a time bomb!
    I agree this is certainly an aggressive dog and there is no doubt it will happen again.
    Maybe desexing might help...fingers crossed
    Cowgirl , sorry to have highjacked this thread before...just some of the responses do refer to my own dog bite situation and I felt I needed to defend my decision .

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    IMHO desexing is not the issue here immediately and will make squat difference.

    You are better of spending the money on a great behaviourist for a consult at a minimum.

    You need to understand (given what you have already experienced) including a serious bite to your childs face which needed to be seen by a Gp, new rules/fencing etc will not address the serious behavioural concerns.

    I do not agree with keeping dogs contained their entire lives just to keep them alive. They are companion animals they crave interaction with people and other dogs. If this little dog is going to lead a life penned up, with very little human company and not sharing the company of other dogs due to his behavioural issues the most humane and kindest option is pts without question.

    I dont want to be so blunt, though at this point, after god knows how many pages, and with the serious concerns presented it is the very best i can offer.

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    Thankyou.

    I'd just like to add that by way of fencing I mean 1 acre house yard dog fenced and another additional 7 acres of property to run each afternoon so he is by no means confined anywhere.

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    I think week and weeks ago I suggested Cowgirl what to do and why her dog might behave like that. Putting a dog to sleep because we failed somewhere is not a great idea. Cowgirl, we have all failed somewhere and sometimes so please don't take this words against you. It's a fact, and dogs world wide are being pts because of it. Dogs rarely express aggression for nothing. There's always a reason and it's silly to say that this or that breed is aggressive, like someone suggested that JRTs are agro. No, they're not. They're just more hyper, they're pushy, asertive strong minded dogs and need to be handled accordingly. When we fail to raise them and handle them the right way - shit happens. But that's with any dog of any breed.
    Please get a behaviourist to help you out, and get the one that uses positive methods because any shaking or physical punishment will result in even more problems. Also, set the strict rules and hold on to them firmly, so when you even give your dog "that look" he will know what to do or what not to. It has to be learned, and he has to gain respect for you and your family members. Again, you don't do it by physically or emotionally degrading the animal, but I won't go about it as I do not know you and your family or your dog. You need a professional who will come to your home and assess the situation. I believe that there is a "cure" and you can all live in harmony. Also get him checked up thoroughly, because if he was kicked by a horse he might be in pain, children are clumsy and don't have the same "feeling" as grown ups - hi might be scared of being hurt or in pain even if child just approaches.
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    I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore but for the love of dogs!!

    I am absolutely astounded at the amount of people whom I thought were responsible dog owners/people that are supporting a rehome !
    Even a behavioualist!

    This dog has had escalating aggression problems for quite some time.
    And quite significant agression at that.
    The OP said herself that the dog was not trusted around visitors or children.That it must be locked up when children came to visit because of this aggression.

    Perhaps you all need to read this again...and then once more for really good comprehension.

    He's 'very aggressive with our other dog' 'he will attack her for no reason'

    'He has to be locked in a room if we get visitors with small children as he runs out and bites them'

    He is extremely territorial now and his aggression towards people and other dogs is getting out of hand'

    'I've tried putting him outside when he's bitten someone inside and vice versa'

    'The dog is 'completely un trustworthy with the children and visitors.'



    I dont give a flying duck poop how small the dog is ( so if it was my dog as an example then it would be different ? ).
    The dog has now bit a child.
    It could well have been that poor childs eye sight.
    As it is the child will no doubt have a deep seated fear of dogs from now on.
    And yes,sorry Cowgirl but you were irresponsible ,you knew what the dog was like but still allowed it around your children .
    The only one I feel sorry for in this whole bloody sordid mess is that child.

    The dog needs to be PTS not bloody rehomed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChoppaChop View Post
    I wasn't going to post in this thread anymore but for the love of dogs!!

    I am absolutely astounded at the amount of people whom I thought were responsible dog owners/people that are supporting a rehome !
    Even a behavioualist!

    This dog has had escalating aggression problems for quite some time.
    And quite significant agression at that.
    The OP said herself that the dog was not trusted around visitors or children.That it must be locked up when children came to visit because of this aggression.

    Perhaps you all need to read this again...and then once more for really good comprehension.

    He's 'very aggressive with our other dog' 'he will attack her for no reason'

    'He has to be locked in a room if we get visitors with small children as he runs out and bites them'

    He is extremely territorial now and his aggression towards people and other dogs is getting out of hand'

    'I've tried putting him outside when he's bitten someone inside and vice versa'

    'The dog is 'completely un trustworthy with the children and visitors.'



    I dont give a flying duck poop how small the dog is ( so if it was my dog as an example then it would be different ? ).
    The dog has now bit a child.
    It could well have been that poor childs eye sight.
    As it is the child will no doubt have a deep seated fear of dogs from now on.
    And yes,sorry Cowgirl but you were irresponsible ,you knew what the dog was like but still allowed it around your children .
    The only one I feel sorry for in this whole bloody sordid mess is that child.

    The dog needs to be PTS not bloody rehomed!

    ..
    The dog should not be rehomed under any circumstances period. I have already said that.

    The Op is obviously hinging on her decision and has many doubts. Perhaps that requires some guidence support!

    I have already said I would pts.

    This is an internet forum Choppa not a bloody lounge room let alone accessing experienced proffesionals!!!!!!!

    If the OP is not prepared to pts a behaviourist is her next best option.

    Personally I am astounded re the suggestions of desexing assisting the related behavioural issues!!!

    "There is enough love and concern for animals in every community to overcome the irresposibility of the few"
    Nathan Winograd.

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