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Thread: Today It Happened to Us...... Dog Bite.

  1. #51
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    Oct 2009
    Perth, Western Australia


    Originally Posted by Devil's Advocate View Post
    My ex-husband's nephew has a face that is scarred for life from a GSD. His mother had taken her children to visit her friend (who owned the dog) and while both mothers were having coffee in the kitchen the kids went into the back yard to play. They saw a 'funny shaped stick' and bend down to pick it up and throw it to each other and the dog. Yep, you guessed it - the stick was a mangled bone. The dog snapped at the child's face. A handsome boy gone forever. Some may say that the children should not have tried to pick up the bone. I can't agree with that. Ever.

    I do not know what happened to that dog years ago. I can only hope that it was euthanised immediately. I also do not believe the size of the dog should make any difference, but a ruddy big Shepherd could maim or even kill very quickly if it chose to.
    You have just highlighted why the dog should not have been put down. It behaved appropriately.
    Those mothers should have been keelhauled for allowing the kids to be outside with the dog.[

    I agree with this completely, i've said it once, i'll say it again kids shouldn't be left unsupervised around dogs... I also think it's a bit unrelated as the OP said she was IN the room with her son and dog and saw what happened...

    As for your situation cowgirl, well I can only offer support for the decision you choose! I would not like to make that call that's for sure, but as someone who has kids i can see how difficult it is..

    I don't think keeping the child and the dog separated is really a viable answer, as its not only not fair on the child but also the dog, and if the dog was to be "outcasted" then wouldn't that form a jealousy thing? (im not an expert on dog behaviors so this might be completely wrong!)

    I think rehoming could be a very good option, depending where you live.. Whilst I understand what you are saying about if he? ever bit again.. You could clearly state that this dog would NOT suit children... I don't know how many dogs I went through looking for Chloe that clearly said "not for children" and as a mother it's a wake up call...

    Im not saying he wont bite an adult (he might, or he might never take another swipe) but he is likely to cause significantly less damage to an adult then a child and adults can also assess the dogs attitude etc..

    I think if you clearly state "not suitable for children" thats an eyeopener and enough of a warning for people... No responsible mother/pet owner would purchase a dog that clearly isnt intended for children and have them at home! And lets face it you wouldn't be handing him? over to just anyone..

  2. #52
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    Aug 2009


    I don't believe in capital punishment for people. Not sure how I feel about it for animals like pet dogs.

    I wouldn't like to be facing this decision about my dog, makes me quite paranoid.

    Growing up, my brother was bitten in the face by an afghan. He was about 3yo, hound and boy had played together before without problems, afghan was on that side of the fence and kind of reached out and nipped and drew blood not life threatening or scarring. Dog lived with no problems from either set of parents.

    Aussie terrier - bit us all the time and we thoroughly deserved it. Mostly our hands.

    Lab Bull terrier x - never bit us, no matter what we did, including taking bones from his mouth. But got shot because a farmer thought he might kill sheep. Wasn't clear if the dog was on the farmer's property or not. He had not attacked any sheep.

    Kelpie heeler x never bit anyone.

    Frosty has occasionally missed the tug rope and gotten me, but not drawn blood. I don't play bite bite games with her like I did with the Aussie terrier.

    Brother's staffy, never bitten his kids. Occasionaly gets a bit rough in play with adults. But never drawn blood.

    I've been bitten by plenty of dogs, occasionally blood drawn but nothing requiring stitches or professional medical care. Certainly haven't wished death on any of the dogs.

    Personally - I'd rate a mini foxy chi as similar to an aussie terror. Definitely keep away from kids younger than 5. And for its own health and sanity, away from teenagers. But it's unlikely to inflict death. BTW cats can kill babies, by sleeping on their nice warm faces. My mum was completely paranoid about this and our cat was not allowed near the baby cot. And um, I did occasionally get bitten by the cat and scratched including drawing blood and nobody suggested the cat be put down. I think I'd be rather upset. We frequently hid wounds we got from the Aussie Terror because it was our fault and we didn't want the dog put down.

  3. #53


    Quote Originally Posted by ozeymum View Post
    I certainly cannot accept that it is that black and white either.
    I agree, and don't think that Falcon should have been PTS.

    Look guys.
    It's obvious that the dog has had problems for a while. Possibly battling depression, anxiety, possible fear, other health prolems?.....these behaviours needed to be dealt with when first appeared. They have probably gradually become worse. Most triggered by the death of his friend/leader. These issues can still be dealt with but will require work, commitment, patience and total supervision.
    - I think that the dog needs a leader. The dog also needs to know that kids aren't playmates/puppies/dogs.
    - I think that the dog needs a Vet check up.
    - He might have needed to be on anti-anxiety meds after the death of the other dog and still does.
    There's lots of problems in this scenario. It's definitely not black and white, not acceptable but not b&w
    Why was the dog fearful of the child?
    Do other dogs bully this one?
    Can the dog see ok? Possible vision probs?
    How was the dog treated after his friend died?
    Sounds to me like this little guy has been a time-bomb waiting to happen.

  4. #54
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    Jan 2009
    Moggill, Queensland


    I agree, Mag. While I haven't read the other thread on this topic, there sounds like there are plenty of problems with this dog. How is it fair for the owners to ignore (I doubt this) or be unaware of the severity of the problems this animal probably has, and when it does react in a way that could have been stopped a long time ago, this dog should definitely be put to sleep?

    Cowgirl, I realise you may not have known that this dog has had big problems, but I believe dealing with these (even consulting someone) is a far better option then putting it to sleep for both you and the dog.

  5. #55


    I'm so sorry Cowgirl. But as a mother and dog owner you have my full suppot. I have to agree with Choppa hre. A dog going for a child's face is the end of the road.

    That is not a warning attack. That is for real.

    Occy - yes, children should be supervised with dogs. But if a dog is not trained safely to the point where it recognises that a child, as with any human, is well above it in the pecking order then that dog has no place in our ordered society.

    Dogs should know their place. And yes, it is people's fault if they don't. But if they absolutely don't, ans they are willing to cross that forbidden line, they are excluded from our pack. There is no returning from that.

    I'm sorry.

  6. #56


    Yep! For sure SilverS
    I have seen sooooo many little dogs with major behavioural problems but because they're little dogs people/owners ignore them, laugh it off, sometimes even think it's cute until the dog snaps (and then it's all about getting rid of the dog)... Makes my blood boil! They forget that the problems and intentions are the same as if it was a big dog and any issues have to be dealt with straight away.

  7. #57
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    Jan 2009
    Moggill, Queensland


    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou
    But if a dog is not trained safely to the point where it recognises that a child, as with any human, is well above it in the pecking order then that dog has no place in our ordered society.
    Maybe I missed this somewhere... How does one train a dog to consider all humans above it in the pecking order? Its own family, sure. Socialised to accept people around it as normal, that people will touch it as normal, etc., I can agree with. Did I read your post correctly, or did it go right over my head? :S

    From the dog's point of view, will they make distinctions between a person's face to their hand (where it seems this would cause a little less fuss)? Just from my observations at the dog park, it seems they do not, and will nip at another dog's face or neck or anywhere else if they, the dog, feels threatened, uncomfortable, annoyed, etc (someone please tell me off if I'm completely wrong I'm learning here).

    Disregarding the fact that this dog bit a child's face whether in aggression or not, I would have thought that a dog (even one as small as this one) could do quite a bit of damage in an aggressive attack. If this child didn't even need suture or glue, I would claim that this was not an aggressive attack. I also think that the fact that this dog did do the damage it did (such as the "lots of blood") can be attributed to the fact that children obviously do not have fur to protect them from a dog's teeth. A nip used as a warning to another dog could easily put holes in a human (especially in the fleshy area of the face).

    Yes, certainly could have gone very bad had the dog gotten the child's eye. To me, however (and maybe because I'm young and learning) I feel that putting this dog down because of problems (which is a reasonable conclusion) which probably lead it to biting this child in the first place sounds... almost lazy. Like the dog's just being given up on. I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm accusing anyone, I'm not certainly not Just trying to articulate how I feel about the situation. Please also note that I'm not condoning what the dog did. I feel, however, that putting it down without knowing WHY (and there could be a completely justified reason as to why), without trying to fix the problem- which means that this could NEVER happen again, is unfair.
    Last edited by silvershadowwolf24; 10-28-2009 at 11:38 PM.

  8. #58


    A dog that nips at another dogs face is giving an entirely different message to that one that nips at another dogs legs yes. It is a language, with all the subtleties of our own spoken one.

    Can you tell the difference between a person in another language unknown to you either insulting you or giving directions? Much of it is in the delivery, and delivery you can see in dog behaviour.

    Any don't forget that the very dumbest of dogs knows full well the vast difference bettwen a play nip and an aggressive bite that breaks skin, whether on dog or human. And if anyone here can't see the difference I suggest they get a new hobby that doesn't involve dogs.
    Last edited by Nattylou; 10-29-2009 at 12:27 AM.

  9. #59
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    Jan 2009
    Moggill, Queensland


    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou
    Any don't forget that the very dumbest of dogs knows full well the vast difference bettwen a play nip and an aggressive bite that breaks skin, whether on dog or human. And if anyone here can't see the difference I suggest tehy get a new hobby that doesn't involve dogs.
    I was referring to warning nips, not playful ones. For example, one time at the dog park, Leo was trying to meet a kelpie that wanted to play with her ball. Leo didn't get the hint after a growl and a bark. After the third time Leo tried to approach, the kelpie bit my dog's neck quite hard- enough to make my dog yelp and come back running to me. There is a patch on my dog's neck/shoulder where the fur seems to have been ripped out.

    This demonstrates what I've said. A warning nip enough to hurt and teach a lesson, where the fur protects the dog to a degree. If the kelpie wanted to attack my dog aggressively (being three or four times the size of my dog), it could have easily ripped out flesh and potentially killed him.

  10. #60


    I agree
    there's the nip and then there's the bite.

    I'd like to see people being encouraged to recognize bad behaviour in their dogs and take the necessary steps to correct it before it gets out of control.

    Cowgirl! I'm not having a go at you! I think you've tried to do your best but I also think that you might have not realized how bad your dogs problems really were.

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