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    Hi, this is my first post and I have a feeling it will stir up some of you.

    My wife and I are looking at buying our first dog, we don't have kids yet but hope to next year. We have a reasonable sized yard which is fenced. We are looking for a medium-small/medium sized dog which can be jogged/walked and will chase a ball etc.... We have both had dogs in the past.

    Our initial thought was for a Spoodle (poodle x cockaspaniel) or perhaps a cavoodle (poodle x cavalier) etc. We like the coat of the poodle but not how they jump (small kids in the future) I also don't particularly like the look of a purebred poodle regardless of size. The reason also that we don't just opt for a pure spaniel cavalier is that from personal experience they aren't too smart, so from that you can see why we thought about a cross..... quieten the poodle a bit and smarten up the cross. I know it's not a guarantee but from what I have read it happen more than not.

    Now the issue that we are having is that those who like pure bred dogs have nothing but negative comments about cross breeds however I am yet to see any facts or links to official sites outlining issues with these dogs from a medical point of view. If someone can point me toward a study/fact sheet by a well respected person or company that can give me more details about cross breeds I would be most appreciative. Perhaps I am wrong about this but I assumed purebred dogs also have health issues? is this not correct? My parents had 2 Maltese and both had hip issues but they now have a Maltese X Something and no hip issue?

    Anyway I guess I am a little disappointed to come to a community of "Dog" lovers only to hear sarcastic remarks about "Not really a breed" (Yes I understand that concept) and these dogs called muts and mongrels etc. For people who don't have your level of dog breed education I hate to think how they feel after reading that their $800+ investment is nothing but a pointless dog, I am sure their kids don't think so! Perhaps partly it is this peer pressure to have a perfect dog that leads some people to abandon their newly acquired pets in favor of something that comes with a piece of paper.

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    I suggest a shelter if you want a mix breed.

    You shouldn't encourage crappy breeders to breed their 'cavoodles' and 'spoodles'.
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    I hear that a lot....to look in shelters, strange thing is that I am yet to find one in a shelter? usually just working dogs or guard dogs or small hypo dogs etc? I am in Brisbane, I guess it might be different in other states?

    As for "Crappy" breeders, surely there are some breeders of cross breeds who genuinely take pride in what they do and do so under good conditions? I realise there is a market for these dogs and there for there will always be people who take advantage of that need, I just don't think you should lump all cross breed breeders into one basket

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    I suggest a shelter if you want a mix breed.

    You shouldn't encourage crappy breeders to breed their 'cavoodles' and 'spoodles'.
    Well said!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by v12amvanquish View Post
    I hear that a lot....to look in shelters, strange thing is that I am yet to find one in a shelter? usually just working dogs or guard dogs or small hypo dogs etc? I am in Brisbane, I guess it might be different in other states?

    As for "Crappy" breeders, surely there are some breeders of cross breeds who genuinely take pride in what they do and do so under good conditions? I realise there is a market for these dogs and there for there will always be people who take advantage of that need, I just don't think you should lump all cross breed breeders into one basket
    Go and read some of the 'sticky' posts.

    I've explained this too many times.
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    I have never been a purist re breeds but do realise that everyone has a right to their own opinions. All my dogs over 53 years have been "Heinz" varieties from pounds or rehomes or in the latter years blue heeler/red mostly mixes.
    No doubt google can point you to any information sites.
    To my mind the best thing when getting a dog is to look at a variety of those that may suit your environment, needs and lifestyle as you are doing, then researching as much as possible a breed or type whose needs fit with your wants and needs as a couple now and family later. We are all individuals and no one's opinion outweighs another's. Some are just more aggressive when expressing it. You get that anywhere, whether in forums or real life.

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    There may be some better breeders of crosses out there but, unfortunately, I think their numbers would be very small and the chances of finding one pretty slim.

    I bought a cross (Golden Retriever x Samoyed) back in September before I knew any better. I really regret my decision. Don't get me wrong Jenna is an absolutely gorgeous dog but I strongly suspect she came from a Puppy Farm and I am appalled to think that I funded their awful practice.

    I'm not strictly against the idea of crossbreeds (others on here will disagree with me) if tests etc were done on the parents as in registered breeders. The fact is this rarely, if ever, happens so you just do not know what kind of trouble you are going to have. Uneducated people say that crosses are less likely to have genetic problems but that's only if both their parents (and grandparents) haven't got any problems. Without tests, how do you know? Unfortunately, I have found out that Jenna has a strong possibilty of hip problems as other people who bought from this 'breeder' have had their dogs diagnosed with hip dysplasia. I know that pure breeds have these problems too, even if all the test scores are good but you have a much better chance of a healthy pup if you go to a good registered breeder.
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    Thank you Tkay, finally someone who explains in a little more depth about health issues rather than simply saying that a cross breed is riddled with problems.

    So is it fair to that buying from a registered breeder you are getting a puppy who's parents and grandparents were free from certain health issues?

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    V12amvanquish

    What about a bedlington terrier (the original non-shedding allergy free dog)? A norfolk terrier? A border terrier? A cairn terrier? An Obama dog? (Portugese water something)

    If you want to know what is wrong with "spoodle" breeders - look up "puppy mill". It's like battery farms for dogs not chickens and it's horrible.

    Also there is no guarantee you will get the best of both breeds in a cross - you could just as easily get the worst. The movie "Twins" kind of sums it up.

    The guide dog people have been trying to breed allergy free labradoodles and the allergy free rate in any given litter is quite small. I'm sure they have responsible breeders and would be happy to place a "shedder" with you.

    Reducing the jumping - is a matter of good training and socialization. My brother has a Staffy - who was around before his kids were born, and he worked very hard to make sure it was good with other people's kids. I've seen his daughter sit thump and poke the dog and it just walks away. I tell the child off.

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    Hey Amquanish V 12,

    I guess there's a few different issues here: cross-bred dogs and their acceptance to others on this forum, dogs to order (ie spoodles etc) and health conditions of breeds.

    I don't think I'll go into the dogs to order issue, might leave them for the experts.

    But in my opinion, I have a cross-bred dog and have never been subjected to negative comments about her. I also have a rescue dog and the same applies for him. Everyone accepts them as who they are as pooches and most seem to love them (in person and on here). So I'm not sure what you have read on here to make you think otherwise? But yeah I might have missed some posts of course etc etc, but for the most part I think the cool and smart people here aren't judgmental about us who own such dogs. Correct me though if I'm wrong and/or I'll brace myself for the wrath if people didn't know my dogs' backgrounds!

    I guess I can comment on the health issues - I just haven't had any (outside of the normal woes of a pooch) .. I certainly don't go looking for data on it because I don't see it as an issue. Sorry I can't help in pointing you to fact sheets etc.

    In finishing, I think the issue of cross-bred dogs is so wide and expansive to cover here - I think that's why you'll hear differing opinions on the topic. If someone has an issue, best to ask what that issue is and take it from there. It might not necessarily be because of the fact he/she is cross-bred but how he/she came to be. Of course the latter not being the dog's fault but some people will sometimes express their disappointment and occasional disgust .. on these occasions the owners are usually the only ones around to hear.

    Good luck with your pooch endeavours .. all I can suggest is think carefully and stand by your informed decision. It goes without saying that you will love and care for any dog you own .. pure or cross.

    Best wishes,
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