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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Harmony View Post
    Hey All,

    Whoa, hang on what are we talking about here? Are we comparing cross-bred dogs themselves with humans that allow cross-breeding to happen? I read from Occy about the possibility of an ugly mutt that is dumb as dog sh*t? (and yes I read this in context). Upon last checking, and in today's modern pooch owning society - cross-bred dogs (however they came to be) represent a significant number of the dog population. I guess that's why I ask .. are we talking about the dogs themselves or the people who breed them? If the following of the opinions stated so far is accepted, there is a belief that cross-bred dogs don't have a place with us....

    I guess I am not sure as to what the direction for pooches should be? There will always be cross-bred dogs .. so what do you suggest we do with them? I don't agree that they should be denigrated and persecuted just because they weren't 'born' correctly. Ok, so I guess there's a moralistic argument which ensues - the decision as to which 'being' is better - dependant upon their blood.

    I kinda feel like the issue of cross-bred dogs is a bit lost because of the 'disgust' some people feel for backyard breeders. And I couldn't agree more on that topic ..

    But, hey I realise the animal world is different to the human world - but we so often talk about pooches as our mates, our best friends and allow them on our beds, feed them only better food than 'us' .. so I guess I wonder why we differentiate between the K9 world and ours ...

    Shouldn't we love them all ... (and again, if you're talking about wrongful breeding practices and not the dog itself, we need to specify.)

    Trying to be constructive here so please let me know if I have my ideals a bit mixed up ...

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    Oh! I think we posted at the same time/ you beat me to it.

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    I have no experience or knowledge of them whatsoever so I googled.

    beagles - Google Search

    I was also bored.

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    I meet lots, they are in the same Group as us at dog shows. Lovely dogs. One of my friends has an elderly one as well. Beautiful and easy care coats as well.

    They can be strong willed and independent (read as selective hearing! ), the desire to sniff and track can overwhelm their training and they can get lost easily if off lead and they take off after a scent. They can be trained to a high level - look at the fantastic work they do with Customs - but patience is needed as again, our usual ideas of obedience is a little different to what their instincts are telling them to do - sniff!!

    They are energetic and can get fat or destructive if not walked daily. They are intelligent and need interaction with their owners and the outside world to keep their busy little minds occupied.

    They are best in a pair or more if you don't spend the majority of your time with them, as they are pack dogs and don't like being alone. They will howl and bay if lonely.

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    So......any opinions on Beagles
    Now your talking

    I luuuurve Beagles. I think they are so cute and they are supposed to make great family dogs. However I have heard they can be very willful and will need a firm hand (not literally of course )

    I'm so pleased you have decided against a cross breed. Thank you for taking the time to read all the posts and making the right decision.

    Good luck with whatever breed you decide to go for and research research research before you decide to buy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Harmony View Post
    Hey All,

    Whoa, hang on what are we talking about here? Are we comparing cross-bred dogs themselves with humans that allow cross-breeding to happen? I read from Occy about the possibility of an ugly mutt that is dumb as dog sh*t? (and yes I read this in context). Upon last checking, and in today's modern pooch owning society - cross-bred dogs (however they came to be) represent a significant number of the dog population. I guess that's why I ask .. are we talking about the dogs themselves or the people who breed them? If the following of the opinions stated so far is accepted, there is a belief that cross-bred dogs don't have a place with us....
    Cheers and Pooch Wishes,
    SH, Lola n' Zep
    You obviously didn't read it in context if you are quoting it to make your point. The OP wants a dog that is attractive and smart - the odds of that are just as good as that of getting an ugly dog that is stupid - simple.

    My friend has a lab x poodle - and he is lovely - but man is that dog a blonde - as for looks - I rather dislike how lab x poodles look anyway, so I am not a judge. She also has a dallie - pure bred - show quality - who is gorgeous and smart - I have met plenty of well bred dallies that were nasty. So it is all a gamble- but at least in the case of pure breds from a respectable breeder you also know the family history.

    My best natured dogs have been rescues - Sandy, Billie, Doof...but Barack also had a gorgeous temp and he was a blue blood GSD - and Buzz was insane - he was a gsd x mal.

    You can't guarantee anything regardless of what you buy - but at least with pure breds you have an idea of temp through parents and breed type.

    x a gsd with a golden and you might get a dog that brings the sheep back in its mouth...who knows...

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    Beagles are dolls - but they need to be approached differently from other breeds - I had major success with one lady and her beagle because we did what Polly beagle wanted as a reward and that was sniffing

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    Tis late, but I thought I read in context Occy, particularly to the points the OP raised. I just don't know that many ugly and stupid dogs .. so I didn't understand your point (regardless of odds of one versus another)? UGLY .. well beauty is in the eye of the owner; and STUPID, well stupid owners stupid dogs I guess you could say. Despite either, the pooch is still an individual and should be trained, treated and loved just the same as any other dog - simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Harmony View Post
    Hey All,

    Whoa, hang on what are we talking about here? Are we comparing cross-bred dogs themselves with humans that allow cross-breeding to happen?
    I think the only person who mentioned human genetics was me and so I'll refute your statement and tell you to actually read and absorb what I have written. No-one has said anything about 'cross breeding humans'.

    The comparison that I used was referring to the fact that NO human family is completely free of genetic faults which is the same as any canine family you care to find. It doesn't matter how good or careful a breeder is, ALL animals carry genetic faults. A good breeder will minimise the faults in the dogs they breed however.
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    Sheesh - I've met lots of ugly stupid dogs...people too

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    I currently walk the ovals with two beagles male adults, and one female puppy. My neighbour has two untrained beagle female adults. No obvious health problems with any of them - apart from the usual arthritus in the older dogs and strange fatty lumps that vets are happy to ignore, and fleas in the neighbour's dogs because he thought his dogs couldn't get fleas and didn't have any prevention measures.

    Anyway the puppy is being trained at dog club and on the oval and is reasonably good at things like recall. The neighbour's beagles love nothing better than to take themselves for a walk and run away from any oval and completely ignore the owner - pretty much what he taught them.

    One of the adult males is well behaved with an owner that does some training, and he comes back to the fingers in the mouth whistle - eventually. He doesn't nick off to tour the burbs and he plays well with his friends on the oval. The other one is a beggar and will jump on anyone who has treats and his owner will not let anyone else correct him. He learnt the hard way not to jump on me but I got yelled at. All the beagles have a piercing howling bray when they're chasing something (usually another dog to play with). One of my neighbour's dogs - her bark is very nasally and annoying to listen to and drives some of the other neighbours nuts.

    So bottom line - beagles are great dogs but only if they're trained with some firmness and persistance, and it's fairly important that they don't bark at everything that goes by at home. They're smart and they learn fast, but they are also quite willful and like to do their own thing. As best I can tell, they're good with small children,.

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