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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    You must have been a bad breeder.
    I have to agree with this because if little else , you can usually expect a Pit to say hello to anyone,with the tail going 10 to the dozen , not eat them.

    The APBT should be a stable,intelligent dog.Known for DA but never HA .
    Perhaps you got it wrong somewhere?

    You mention Colby lines ?
    Thats really broad as you would know , could you narrow it down a tad please
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    You must have been a bad breeder.
    I knew it would not take long! Yes, I must have been a bad breeder, nothing to do with the dogs. That comment really shows where your at I guess. I have also trained dogs in obedience & protection for security firms & corrective services {NSW} but thankfully there are people like you around to make me see how stupid I am.

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    This council report from 2005 NSW
    has a list of popular breeds and a list of bite statistics by breed and then % of registered dogs that attack... Not sure what it does with unregistered dogs that attack but I'm guessing if there 100 dogs of breed x and one unregistered of breed x that this would count as 1% of breed x registered (even though it wasn't)

    http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/Files/Circulars/07-26.pdf

    In NSW (as most other places I could find any stats on)
    German Shepherds are top of the biter list.
    And um, Cattle dogs are second - and I got me one of them (well an x of one)
    Pit bulls are down the list at number five, after Rotties and Staffies.

    But the % of pitbulls that bite of those registered - is highest at 1% ie if you meet 100 pit bulls - one is going (to try) to bite you. Contrast that with a rate of 1 in 1000 for cattle dog biters - they're not called "heelers" for nothing.

    Sometimes I wonder if it's mistaken identity. Great White Sharks have this problem. Most shark attacks are bull sharks - as surfers will surf near esturaries when the water is murky. But most attacks are credited to GWS.

    And the other problem is like the old volvo problem - bad drivers got them because they thought they were safer... People who like and encourage the idea of a fierce attack dog will choose a rotti or a pit bull and then encourage (or do nothing to discourage) aggressive behaviour. It's really sad when one of these gets out and attacks strangers, and it's bad khama that most nasty dog bites are within the family. Ie the dog bites someone known by the owner or the owner's child.

    How to fix it? I'm not sure restricting the dog will help any more than making a different level of driver licence for owners of fast cars.

    Although I do think it would be perfect khama for the QLD? dog management board to be pointed at the blue pitbull BYB's website along with a link to the threatening email... is there an anon crimestoppers website for these things? Not that anything we do on the web is entirely anonymous.

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    I think in future I"ll steer clear of the topic of the APBT, I remember how much I used to to defend them. Everyone is defendant of the breed they love, cant argue with that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malinois-72 View Post
    I knew it would not take long! Yes, I must have been a bad breeder, nothing to do with the dogs. That comment really shows where your at I guess. I have also trained dogs in obedience & protection for security firms & corrective services {NSW} but thankfully there are people like you around to make me see how stupid I am.
    Why are there many good PB's in the world then?

    It seems weird that you would happen to ownall these untrustworthy dogs, when we have two members that own beautiful Pitties(Well I havent seen anomads, but I have sure seen Loppy)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiemyf7 View Post
    Why are there many good PB's in the world then?

    It seems weird that you would happen to ownall these untrustworthy dogs, when we have two members that own beautiful Pitties(Well I havent seen anomads, but I have sure seen Loppy)
    I did not trust them around strangers because they did not like strangers{protective, yes} & I did not trust them with other dogs because you may find this hard to believe but they have a tendancy to fight! I could trust them, no probs. I"m over this topic, refer to last post. Again, your comments show where your at........

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    Quote Originally Posted by puggerup View Post
    I don't understand who would be benefiting from giving the breed a bad name?
    Usually when something or someone is given a bad wrap and bad publicity without due cause someone is making some type of profit out of it.
    You don't think that media are profit making juggernauts? Do you really believe that truth ever comes before profit in commercial media??

    Sensastion sells, not truth. The truth is often boring in comparison to the embroidered versions....

    Stories about known monsters sell much more readily than random ones. Everyone loves their fix of the boogeyman.

    And I personally know several pitbulls. They are not a restricted breed in the ACT. I know that the ACT RSPCA often adopt them out, assessing them and their temperament like they would with any other breed. No bias, they get exactly the same regard and consideration as any other breed. Focus is on individual dogs, not breeds.

    I know them as family dogs, social creatures, who live amongst other pets and people like any other dog does. No different to your average suburban staffy or mastiff, or cattle dog for that matter.

    The media stir this pot relentlessly. The saddest part is that people fall for it over and over again. But while the media just move onto their headline for the next day, the people owning PBs, and dogs that are mis-identified as PBs - as well as people who have developeda fear level of anything they percieve to be a PB - suffer for a much longer time.

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    Whoa, it's ok .. I get what you're saying Peter. We just get a bit passionate about the topic .. there's always good healthy debate! Hang in there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    You don't think that media are profit making juggernauts? Do you really believe that truth ever comes before profit in commercial media??

    Sensastion sells, not truth. The truth is often boring in comparison to the embroidered versions....

    Stories about known monsters sell much more readily than random ones. Everyone loves their fix of the boogeyman.

    And I personally know several pitbulls. They are not a restricted breed in the ACT. I know that the ACT RSPCA often adopt them out, assessing them and their temperament like they would with any other breed. No bias, they get exactly the same regard and consideration as any other breed. Focus is on individual dogs, not breeds.

    I know them as family dogs, social creatures, who live amongst other pets and people like any other dog does. No different to your average suburban staffy or mastiff, or cattle dog for that matter.

    The media stir this pot relentlessly. The saddest part is that people fall for it over and over again. But while the media just move onto their headline for the next day, the people owning PBs, and dogs that are mis-identified as PBs - as well as people who have developeda fear level of anything they percieve to be a PB - suffer for a much longer time.

    Another great post Nat
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    Oh wonderful,just wonderful

    Many innocent dogs are going to be sent to the Bridge and owners will have no right of reply or appeal

    Councils to have more power to kill unregistered dangerous dogs | National Breaking News | News.com.au

    Councils to have more power to kill unregistered dangerous dogs

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    October 19, 2009 04:08pm


    COUNCILS will be able to kill unregistered dangerous dogs found roaming the streets, without owners having the right to appeal under a new law flagged by the Victorian Government.
    Following an attack by an American pit bull at the weekend, Premier John Brumby said new legislation will be introduced into Parliament in 2010.

    Under the proposed changes, owners of restricted breeds, which include pit bull terrier breeds, Dogo Argentino and Fila Brasileiro, will lose their right to appeal to the courts if their dog is unregistered and seized by a local council.

    "If there is a dangerous dog breed, if there is a restricted dog and it's running along the street, you know, with no collar and not muzzled, that dog will be taken in by council and it will be put down," Mr Brumby said.

    "This is a stronger policy, it's a tougher policy, there will be appeal rights that will be removed so the power will be in the hands of councils to make sure they can deal with dangerous dogs that reoffend or restricted breeds that are not complying with the terms of their registration."

    Fines will also increase for owners who do not register their restricted breeds of dogs or who breach the terms of the registration.

    "We will put a little bit more on that again to make sure that the community understands loudly and clearly the responsibilities that go with owning a dangerous dog or a restricted breed dog."

    An American pit bull killed a small dog and injured a man in an attack in Melbourne's north last night.
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