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    Hey There Pooch Lovers,

    This is a bit of an unusual thread, prompted by a show I watched on the TV 2 night ago - The Force on Ch 7. Reality Copper show, following life on the beat for the men and women in blue! There was a particular incident that occurred in Perth where a young man was pulled over for a number of vehicle and driving offences - including the driver being over the legal limit. He happened to be driving with 2 young staffy x's (kelpie x I think) - beautiful young dogs. So the scenario became that the coppers had to take the bloke with them - you could see the driver's number one concern here was his pooches which he clearly loved. The coppers in all fairness allowed him to try and ring people to come and pick up his dogs but no one would.

    To cut a long story short, the end result, the coppers left the dogs in the vehicle, on the side of a road, in the middle of the night and took the accused away. This flabbergasted me and I was disgusted at the time. I couldn't believe that this could or would happen? Don't get me wrong, I don't condone the fact that the guy was over the limit and had other issues with his vehicle, license etc ... but leaving 2 young dogs in an unattended vehicle on the side of the road in the middle of the night seemed the epitome of irresponsibility in regards to the officers at the scene. Surely there could have been more consideration given to the welfare of these dogs?

    Would be interested to know your feelings on the matter. I completely understand the extreme nature of the job for coppers, but surely .. surely there has to be some examples set by officials of this country. I would be just as appalled if an ordinary everyday person left their dogs in an unattended car .. I feel just as appalled that coppers allowed that to happen.

    On a positive note - the driver did return sometime later and the pooches were happy and safe. And yes, he should have been more responsible for taking dogs in a car when it was unsafe to do so!

    Catchya in the posts,

    SH, Lola n Zep

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    I would have thought leaving the dogs locked in the car would be classed as animal cruelty, especially if the weather was hot.

    In Victoria the police would probably have called a dog ranger to collect the dogs. I have a friend in Vic who is a ranger and she is often called out after hours by the police.

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    Omg I can't believe it! I understand the cops would have probably thought 'well it's not our problem' but they could have at least called a ranger as DH pointed out. Leaving the dogs in the car is not good enough IMO.

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    How do we know the ranger wasn't called?

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    Hey Occ,

    From the story and the footage alone, it seems evident that no ranger, council officer or anyone else not known to the bloke under arrest was contacted. Of course it is TV so I can't be sure. But the comments made in relation to the dogs having to stay in the car and the fact they walked from the car and the dogs leads me to reasonably believe that they were aware the dogs would be left alone.

    I guess regardless of whether or not anyone was called, the fact remains that they left the dogs unattended in the vehicle for a considerable amount of time - on the side of the road, no water (that i saw), no security or protection .. that was enough for me to be concerned.

    Cheers, SH

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    omg, that is just so wrong for the police to be irresponsible & just leave the dogs alone in the car, ffs anything could have happened to the dogs

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    Hey Pug,

    Completely take your point about the driver, hence my comments in relation to not excusing the driver and his behaviour in placing the dogs at risk.

    My point was more in relation to the leaving of the dogs. And again, completely take your point about the fact that the guy would do anything to try and 'get off'. So yeah not saying he is a saint by any stretch of the imagination.

    The police did the right thing of course in taking him off the road, my suggestion was more in relation to whether or not it is appropriate to leave dogs in an unattended vehicle on the side of the road with no water, food (apart from the unacceptable junk in his car) and no physical protection apart from the car. Remembering that these were young dogs, not pups, but clearly young dogs.

    In relation to the safety of the dogs and someone towing a vehicle, yes unlikely. But it's not unfeasible that someone could still remove the dogs from the vehicle without towing it - for good or bad intentions. And yes, perhaps like many people on this forum we would investigate a vehicle with 2 dogs stretching their necks out of car abandoned on the side of the road. I would certainly stop and probably break into the vehicle myself (if it looked abandoned - would ring the coppers first though).

    I don't think that anyone can accurately say how long it takes to be driven from the sight of the incident ... to the cop shop .. then the waiting and testing .. the processing .. and then the drive back to the vehicle. Depending on how busy the coppers are that could amount to hours!

    Withstanding all this of course is legislative interpretation of abandonment. It would be not only interesting to see whether just the offending driver was culpable but the coppers as well.

    Anyways it's good to get differing opinions, hence the thread. It just felt a bit wrong to me for the dog's sake.

    Cheers always,
    SH

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    Hey SH
    I watched the show too and was fuming at the cops attitude towards the dogs and more so at the fact that they ended up leaving them in the car on the side of the road.
    -The driver seemed very stressed about what was going to happen to his pups
    -Yes the guy shouldn't have been drinking & driving
    - Yes he shouldn't have had the dogs with him
    - Yes it's tv so there's probably more to the story....

    But, from what I saw, I thought that the cops were very unprofessional and cold.

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    Hey Again,

    Thanks for your points Pug. I guess it's a pretty personal approach at times to what people feel is right and wrong in terms of care for a pooch. I guess just from what I saw, I felt it was inappropriate and irresponsible. They weren't large dogs 'guarding' the car and I find it hard to accept that it's ok to leave a dog without water and safety and protection regardless of whether it's the middle of the day or the middle of the night. They weren't wild dogs who could fend for themselves, they were domesticated puppies in a restricted environment.

    Maybe I'm just expecting too much from the Coppers under the circumstances. I wasn't even thinking of having them removed and contained in cages .. the way some cop shops are run I was even thinking the pooches could have gone back to the station with him.

    For me, if i was on patrol in that situation, I would not have left those dogs. And if I was being taken away I guess I would have either put up a stronger case for the welfare of my dogs or refused to be taken until the welfare of my dogs was confirmed.

    Anyways, it's all personal opinions .. hence why these discussions are cool.

    Cheers, SH

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    Trouble is that police have legal time limits to act within when someone is caught drink driving. If it was night time (ie cool) and the windows were down slightly for ventilation then there is absolutely no issue with the dogs being left in the car for the couple of hours it takes to breath test him at the station, issue his paperwork and cut him loose to return to his dogs.

    Ffs - dogs sit in cars in shopping centre carparks every day for longer than that, never mind on the back of farm utes or cages under cattle trucks in the sun and wind and rain.

    TV is selectively edited to maximise response and time. They're not going to waste TV time going into what the cops may or may not have done if the owner was away for longer, ie calling rangers, RSPCA, returning the dogs into the station etc. From what I've heard it was a straightforward matter, probably only made TV worthy in the first place because the guy carrying on about his dogs injects an element of emotion into the story.

    It all comes down to this. If he really gave a rats arse about his dogs he wouldn't be placing them at serious risk by driving them around while affected by alcohol. So any concern he may have been expressing about them is misplaced and should be criticised not applauded.

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