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    A child safety advocate has called for compulsory obedience and social training for dogs after a boy was mauled and critically injured by the family dog north of Melbourne.
    I agree. What do you all think?

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    I think it's a good idea. I think most people don't consider that dogs are 'magically' well-behaved, it takes work and training.

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    I just replied on the APBT thread as well , stating that I just love the statement!

    "no training , no liscence,no dog"

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    I think it's a crock of manure. It shows how little the child care advocate knows about dogs.

    Simply because a dog has completed a course of obedience training, even it it holds a title, does not mean it is safe around children. In fact a lot of highly trained dogs are not even safe around some adults.

    All dogs should be trained to be good canine citizens but this can easily be done at home without the need to join a club. My dogs are all home schooled and they have to be safe with children as I am a foster carer. The dogs had to pass an inspection just as we did.

    I last went to an obedience class back in 1977. That was the day a trainer killed a young Bulldog by jerking too hard on the choke chain it was wearing. I've trained a lot of dogs on my own since then and apart from one all were safe with children. The one who wasn't safe was a badly abused rescue GSD and I had her euthanased. I don't believe in taking risks when children are involved.

    I'm happy to have my dogs pass a temperament test but I will not be forced to attend obedience classes.

    There is a very simple rule about kids and dogs. NEVER leave a young child unsupervised around any dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    I think it's a crock of manure. It shows how little the child care advocate knows about dogs.

    Simply because a dog has completed a course of obedience training, even it it holds a title, does not mean it is safe around children. In fact a lot of highly trained dogs are not even safe around some adults.

    All dogs should be trained to be good canine citizens but this can easily be done at home without the need to join a club. My dogs are all home schooled and they have to be safe with children as I am a foster carer. The dogs had to pass an inspection just as we did.

    I last went to an obedience class back in 1977. That was the day a trainer killed a young Bulldog by jerking too hard on the choke chain it was wearing. I've trained a lot of dogs on my own since then and apart from one all were safe with children. The one who wasn't safe was a badly abused rescue GSD and I had her euthanased. I don't believe in taking risks when children are involved.

    I'm happy to have my dogs pass a temperament test but I will not be forced to attend obedience classes.

    There is a very simple rule about kids and dogs. NEVER leave a young child unsupervised around any dog.
    I actualy agree with most of your post DH , especially that no child should be left unsupervised with a dog.

    But I was taking this as towards newer owners?
    Those just purchasing dogs and so on?

    I think they would be hard pressed to enforce it against all dog owners as it stands at the moment but surely it would have to help weed out quite a few of th eidiots wanting to be a dog 'owner'.
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    ummm...just as a little aside .
    I hit something just then on the keyboard and my top toolbar went awol , it appears if I hover thye mouse over it but leaves again as soon as I'm not watching .

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    Good Idea, but think statistics:

    how many dog owners in Aus?
    how many schools?
    how mnay instructors in the schools?
    how many days for schools to be on?
    how consistant is it going to be to get EVER dog and EVER trainer to do classes?

    i beleive its a matter of, if u are proven to be an unsatifactory owner to your dog THEN take classes to improve and rectify the problem.

    OR

    Recognise suitable breeds to be under the new law (undoubtably all the Bullies will be there, and rottwielers etc) and then they should attend classes,
    id be happy to do classes on the govement expences (even my own expences) u benift the dog benifts and u get to show off your dog and skills.

    end of the day its probebly not somthing thats going to happne ANY time soon, politicians are idiots, genuine idiots they dont think about the big picture of there 'apposed' laws and ideas they think of.

    anyway thats my input, oh and deerhound i agree in part, but wont get into that one :P

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    Good Idea, but think statistics:

    how many dog owners in Aus?
    how many schools?
    how mnay instructors in the schools?
    how many days for schools to be on?
    how consistant is it going to be to get EVER dog and EVER trainer to do classes?

    i beleive its a matter of, if u are proven to be an unsatifactory owner to your dog THEN take classes to improve and rectify the problem.

    OR

    Recognise suitable breeds to be under the new law (undoubtably all the Bullies will be there, and rottwielers etc) and then they should attend classes,
    id be happy to do classes on the govement expences (even my own expences) u benift the dog benifts and u get to show off your dog and skills.

    end of the day its probebly not somthing thats going to happne ANY time soon, politicians are idiots, genuine idiots they dont think about the big picture of there 'apposed' laws and ideas they think of.

    anyway thats my input, oh and deerhound i agree in part, but wont get into that one :P

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    I agree that all dogs should have basic obedience at minimum as Im sure that'd stop the amount of impulse dog buying and also the amount of dogs that end up in pounds etc because "they're out of control" (or other b/s answers) but i don't think it's going to help with kids etc..

    I hold a similar view to Deerhound; At the end of the day you're never ever going to trust a dog 100% with a child, well you shouldn't In my opinion just like humans dogs can snap over the smallest of things or the biggest and lets face it, kids don't know when enough is enough..

    Im not going to say weather the training should be done through a dog centre or training facility, heck! if you already know it all then why bother going? But the dog could be tested on the basics when applying for the license?

    As I said, great idea to stop a lot of unnecessary problems but defiantly not a solution for dogs and kids

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    Personally I'd rather they go with the carrot option.

    Ie discounts on dog rego for dogs that meet an acceptable standard of obedience. I think the criteria on mine included no lunging at dogs or people while on lead. Not particularily onerous. It didn't include no attacking naughty children.

    I agree with the comments re leaving a dog and children together unsupervised. Children are not known for understanding the consequences of their actions - that bit of their brain hasn't developed yet. And dogs aren't that great at it either.

    I'd like to apply the "no training, no licence" to being a parent - ie humans shouldn't be allowed to have children without any training and passing a test to prove they know the basics of what they're doing. Not that any amount of training or preparation is enough for rearing children but so many parents have no clue. This scares me more than untrained dogs.

    And I'd like to see a curfew or rego for cats too but that's another topic.

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