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    I've been there - they're way too expensive but otherwise the range is good and the animal are rotated regularly and looked after well.

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    Sorry Paw-Sha - it is difficult for me to take anyone seriously who simply doesn't have a good grasp on the language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soverencraft View Post
    Guys, I don’t want to start world war three here… and I probably should not say anything at all.

    I know that there are major issues with MANY backyard breeders and MANY pet shops.

    However not everybody is the same? I have met a couple of pet shop owners who are very responsible with their pets as to what they sell, when, and who they sell to. I also have known what some here would class as “backyard breeders” yet they are very responsible and knowledgeable also, and their dogs always in demand and only go to selected homes.

    Why would we want to alienate somebody who may have shied away from (some) breeder prices and not found anything suitable at the rescues, only to find the love of their life in some other commercial premise.

    Sure there are “horses for courses” and issues that need to be followed up with breeders and pet shops. Don’t forget that there are a lot of purebreds in pounds as well.

    However can we please be a little gentler on somebody who finds their new family member in a pet shop or from a BYB and joins the forum to find out more on how to care for their baby? It is not their fault that pounds are full is it?
    You are trying to preach to people who have blinkers on. It's their way or the highway. Pet shops are just that, pet shops. They are there to make money and it's an individuals choice whether to use them or not. I have no issue where someone purchase their pets from. The BYB is only in demand due to the so called "Professional Breeders" (I use that term loosely) extreme prices and attitude. Actually what is a "Professional Breeder" and who gives out that authority? No need to give me five pages in reply just the basics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culprit View Post
    You are trying to preach to people who have blinkers on. It's their way or the highway. Pet shops are just that, pet shops. They are there to make money and it's an individuals choice whether to use them or not. I have no issue where someone purchase their pets from. The BYB is only in demand due to the so called "Professional Breeders" (I use that term loosely) extreme prices and attitude. Actually what is a "Professional Breeder" and who gives out that authority? No need to give me five pages in reply just the basics.
    ooohhhh.....If I wanted to be very very naughty , I would dare you to join another well known Australian forum and write exactly what you have just written

    But I wont do that to Soveron * serious face on*


    I dont know how a dedicated animal lover can tolerate a live Pet Shop.
    Where do most of these places get thier stock?
    Thats right,back to the good ole BYB'r .
    How are they kept ?
    I am yet to see a pet shop evviroment that I would deem fit for a baby to live in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culprit View Post
    You are trying to preach to people who have blinkers on. It's their way or the highway. Pet shops are just that, pet shops. They are there to make money and it's an individuals choice whether to use them or not. I have no issue where someone purchase their pets from. The BYB is only in demand due to the so called "Professional Breeders" (I use that term loosely) extreme prices and attitude. Actually what is a "Professional Breeder" and who gives out that authority? No need to give me five pages in reply just the basics.
    Culprit!

    You can't be serious....surely
    Have a read of my 'Puppy Mills & Backyard breeders' sticky post in the puppy section. You can then tell us if you still think it's no big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena View Post
    Culprit!

    You can't be serious....surely
    Have a read of my 'Puppy Mills & Backyard breeders' sticky post in the puppy section. You can then tell us if you still think it's no big deal.
    Hmmm I can't see anywhere in my post that I wrote "it's no big deal".

    All I am saying is it comes back to supply and demand. No demand no pets in pet shops. You don't carry stock if no one wishes to buy the stock. Sorry to put it in business terms but this is what the pet shop is. A Business.

    People have a choice whether to use them or not use them. Whether it's right or wrong in your view is irrelevant. We live in a capitalistic society and that is how the wheel turns.

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    Culprit - in your way of thinking then - we should be allowed to sell babies too - there is definitely an oversupply and there is a huge demand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Occy View Post
    Culprit - in your way of thinking then - we should be allowed to sell babies too - there is definitely an oversupply and there is a huge demand...
    They do now in some countries it's not legal here though. It's legal to sell Pets through a Pet Shop in Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culprit View Post
    Hmmm I can't see anywhere in my post that I wrote "it's no big deal".

    All I am saying is it comes back to supply and demand. No demand no pets in pet shops. You don't carry stock if no one wishes to buy the stock. Sorry to put it in business terms but this is what the pet shop is. A Business.

    People have a choice whether to use them or not use them. Whether it's right or wrong in your view is irrelevant. We live in a capitalistic society and that is how the wheel turns.

    Just to help people out and to understand Capitalism they can click on this link Capitalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Omg its like banging your head against a brick wall.

    So guys, according to Culprit we shouldn't give a rat's arse about puppy mills and BYBs - they are filling a market! Problem solved. Why didn't I think of that before??!


    Just because that's the way it is doesn't mean it's ethical or right. Omg I'm so angry right now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soverencraft View Post
    Guys, I don’t want to start world war three here… and I probably should not say anything at all.
    oops, too late.

    I know that there are major issues with MANY backyard breeders and MANY pet shops.
    Agree.

    However not everybody is the same?
    Agree

    I have met a couple of pet shop owners who are very responsible with their pets as to what they sell, when, and who they sell to.
    I too have met and know one or two responsible pet shop owners. My biggest issue with pet shops is where they source their puppies from and the high number of pet shops that will sell a puppy to the first customer without screening. Equal to that would be the lack of training the staff are given on different breeds and their requirements.

    I also have known what some here would class as “backyard breeders” yet they are very responsible and knowledgeable also, and their dogs always in demand and only go to selected homes.
    I have also known a byber or 2 that were honest, hardworking and caring people. My biggest issue in this regard though it the fact that more often than not the ancestoral history of the parent dogs ar enot known, nor is there any thought put into the future genetic health of the off-spring. A good home is great, but what of the future health of the pup being sold?

    Why would we want to alienate somebody who may have shied away from (some) breeder prices and not found anything suitable at the rescues, only to find the love of their life in some other commercial premise.
    Breeder prices? I'd dispute that purebred registered dogs are actually more expensive than what is sold by bybs or pet shops on the whole.

    Sure there are “horses for courses” and issues that need to be followed up with breeders and pet shops. Don’t forget that there are a lot of purebreds in pounds as well.
    Given that purebred dogs (where the purebred dog is one that appears to be well bred and is potentially a pedigree as opposed to a dog that appears to look like a breed but was possibly bred by a byber) are found at a ration of approximately 2:10 I wouldn't think that this could be considered 'a lot'.

    You have touched on what I feel is a very important point though. I believe it is community attitude and a lack of education that finds dogs in pounds. The dogs is the wrong dog for you - take it to the pound. Moving house - take it to the pound. Going through a divorce - take it to the pound. It barks too much - take it to the pound.

    However can we please be a little gentler on somebody who finds their new family member in a pet shop or from a BYB and joins the forum to find out more on how to care for their baby? It is not their fault that pounds are full is it?
    Re - my statements above. It is not neccessarily the fault of the pet shop that sees dogs in pounds in my view.
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