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    As an autistic I miss social cues~ I am concerned that my vet did not act ethically but am unsure what to Google to read Australian ethical expectations~ and common sense is not so "common" for a person like me.

    My dog (cattle x) has an aural haemotoma, I took her to the vet and she said that my dog was not calm enough for her to give anesthetic to stitch the vessels. she then put cream on her ear which she said was an anaethetic and used a syringe to pop the skin, the first time my dog yelped, second time didn't notice anything. she said the only thing she could do was put on an Elizabethan collar and bandage and stitch the vessels on monday (it was saturday morning). she didn't swab the punctures with antiseptic, just put on a wad of cotton and used a plaster bandage (she kept saying it was her last one like she didn't want to use it and I said I wanted it, reminding her of the dirt yard I have).

    when she was asking details to put in the computer she asked about weight and I said that the receptionist hadn't weighed her, that she was usually between 25-27 kg, she she looked like she weighed that~ I didn't think anything of it till I got home and read the instructions for the pain killer which I have to measure the dose for myself with a syringe~ it states clearly that overdose is possible and must go be weight(meloxicam).

    it wasn't until later that day that I realised that an appointment hadn't been made for the monday~ and realised that it must of been up to me to ask reception to make the booking, even though I had agreed to it with the vet.

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    Hi Learning. I think you need to change vets and tell this one why you are. I've seen this attitude over and over again which is rife with Medical doctors too unfortunately and it is appaling how inept a lot of them are. They seem to be in this profession for the wrong reasons. I learnt to voice for my rights and I complain whenever I see fit. Remember that it is through pointing out their incompetencies that they will improve (at least some of them). Good luck with your little one (not so little at 27 kilos!) and hope he gets well soon

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    I don't believe the Vet acted unethically in any way. To me it sounded like it had possibly been a long day for her though.

    Her treatment of the ear does not seem out of the ordinary. Most Vets that I know do not do surgery on weekends unless in real emergencies. An Aural haemotoma is not an emergency. She has treated the ear to alleviate the swelling and given advise regarding an elizabethan collar. She advised that the surgical treatment would need to be done on Monday.

    She has sent you home presumably on Metacam (the brand name of the drug for animal use) in the interim. Metacam is a NSAID - ie a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug that is also used for conditions such as athritis. I have even had it prescribed for a Pug with a cat scratch to the eye.

    Your Vet estiamted the weight based on her visuals of the dog and your advice. This too is common. My Vet didn't weigh my little Pug either.

    I would think that by now you have made the appointment for the surgery? If not, then do so and speak to your Vet at the same time about your concerns. Vets are human beings. Unless you tell them of your fears or concerns they will not know.
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    Wow, doesn't sound like a good practice to me.....I would change vets or call them and explain your dissapointment in the way they handle the situation. This kind of misconduct may be from a number of reasons....but it does sound like they were in a hurry to see the next patient. Having said that thought, I don't think it was unethical....just a bit rude in trying to hurry the situation along. I wish vets would spend that little extra time with our beloved pets and realise that they are part of our family and need just as much time as we do when we go to the doctors, if not more....beacuse our animals can not speak! Good luck, and hope your darling is feeling more comfortable soon!

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    I like to make written lists before I go to a vet or my own doctor - because I get frazzled by the whole process and forget to ask the right questions or what to do when I get home. I also write instructions and questions down while I'm in with the vet - otherwise I forget and the instructions they give me afterwards never seem to be as clear as the ones I didn't write down.

    Do try a different vet practice - ask other dog owners you know and respect for who they like and why. If you don't know any other dog owners well enough - ask the people that run your local obedience dog club or breed club for recommendations. You need to find a vet that makes sense to you and listens to your concerns and addresses them, one at a time, with facts. This is easier to do if you have a list. If this means ringing back later with your list in front of you - do that.

    My puppy dog has a cut on her ankle - which my vet recommended cleaning with tap water - and not to worry about antiseptic. For my horse - I had a purple spray - which helped keep the germs at bay, but dog spit is pretty good not that your dog is going to be able to lick her ear. I also put aloe vera on cuts - because it helps with healing, and tastes horrible. Honey is also supposed to be antiseptic but can cause other problems (like attracting insects or dirt sticking). Covering up the wound can cause problems - like preventing it from drying out and encouraging infection. A wound that is covered really needs to be dosed heavily with antibiotic and sealed. Something I'd consider for a deep surgery but not a skin wound, and then I'd confine the dog in a clean cage too. However I am not a professional when it comes to preventing infections.

    On the weight dosage thing - I suspect as long as the dose per weight is close, ie the weight is correctly estimated within say a 10% error range - that it would be ok, but if the error was more like 75% - then you'd be in trouble eg if the dose was for 30kg and the dog was 28kg = not matter much. But if the dose was for 25kg and the dog was 5kg (eg maltese), = bad. Does that make sense? Most medications I've seen have weight ranges of about 5kg eg 15-20kg = dosage x, 20 to 25kg = dosage y. And it's a bit hard if your dog is on the border line eg mine is 19 -21kg at the moment, so not sure what flea killer dose to give her but happy to go with the extra strength one for bigger dog since she is still growing.

    If you are still really worried about it - phone the vet back and ask (along with all the other questions you need answered). If the vet is busy, ask the person who answers the phone to find out the answers for you or get the vet to call you back.

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    Like with any human doctor, you make your own research re. medications prescribed and use your common sense. If I had listened to my new vet (now no longer my vet), Mimi would have probably been full of problems... I was given (paid for) tablets for a rash (he didn't know what caused it) but that according to him, they are the ones doctors prescribe for ADHD in children. In his own words, "These tablets might make her hyperactive but could stop her itching". As you can see, nothing concrete out of him. No diagnosis, potential harmful medicine and the cost of the visit and tablets outrageous!! I went home and threw the tablets in the bin! Mimi was fine within two days without any intervention.

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    Sorry, double posted!

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    Hi there

    I think the vet just estimating your dogs weight is unprofessional....everytime I visit the vet with any of my pets...on arrival the receptionist/vet nurse always weighs the patent..no-matter what my appointment is for.

    As for the booking for another appointment...the vet should have noted it on your file...then when paying for your bill, the person should have asked you about booking another appointment.

    This is just my opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimi1 View Post
    Hi Learning. I think you need to change vets and tell this one why you are. I've seen this attitude over and over again which is rife with Medical doctors too unfortunately and it is appaling how inept a lot of them are. They seem to be in this profession for the wrong reasons. I learnt to voice for my rights and I complain whenever I see fit. Remember that it is through pointing out their incompetencies that they will improve (at least some of them). Good luck with your little one (not so little at 27 kilos!) and hope he gets well soon
    Thank you for your feedback. At the moment this vet is my one option as she is within walking distance (I don't drive, I am so distractable). Tomorrow my darling is booked in for the surgery, I will make a point of asking her to be weighed whilst I am there so that I can be confident the dosage I am giving her at home is at a safe level.

    Sometimes I do not see "what is happening" because I do not comprehend putting one's ego before the safety or concern of another being. I forget that some lose their passion for life and works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anne View Post
    I don't believe the Vet acted unethically in any way. To me it sounded like it had possibly been a long day for her though.

    Her treatment of the ear does not seem out of the ordinary. Most Vets that I know do not do surgery on weekends unless in real emergencies. An Aural haemotoma is not an emergency. She has treated the ear to alleviate the swelling and given advise regarding an elizabethan collar. She advised that the surgical treatment would need to be done on Monday.

    She has sent you home presumably on Metacam (the brand name of the drug for animal use) in the interim. Metacam is a NSAID - ie a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug that is also used for conditions such as athritis. I have even had it prescribed for a Pug with a cat scratch to the eye.

    Your Vet estiamted the weight based on her visuals of the dog and your advice. This too is common. My Vet didn't weigh my little Pug either.

    I would think that by now you have made the appointment for the surgery? If not, then do so and speak to your Vet at the same time about your concerns. Vets are human beings. Unless you tell them of your fears or concerns they will not know.
    Thank you Anne~ I do try to keep an open mind, when I "feel" that a person is being distant with me. Though the appointment was in the early morning, her life may have all sorts of dramas to juggle, you are right. My concern with the haemotoma was that she didn't use antiseptic and then didn't seem to want to put a bandage over it and I had pointed out that the yard has no grass~ my cattle dogs have taken care of that :-)

    As to the NSAID, the instructions state clearly that "Accuracy in m. dosage is an important consideration" 1ml/15kg I read some research articles, overdosing is not unlikely and highly dependent on weight of the animal.

    I will speak to her about weighing my darling before surgery (tomorrow) and so that I can be confident on the levels I am administering at home. She did not appear to take on board my concerns about dirt and infection of the puncture sites at the initial visit, I will see if she respects my concerns tomorrow.

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