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Thread: Hypdisplasia in a Puppy..wrong Vet Advice? (long Story Sorry)

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    Default Hypdisplasia in a Puppy..wrong Vet Advice? (long Story Sorry)

    Hi all,

    it is great to read all your stories about your lovely pets!
    We are hoping that by sharing our story we may get some ideas/advice about a situation that we are finding ourselves in.

    We bought a beautiful puppy (samriever - crossbreed samoyed x retriever) see photo....we are soooo in love and it is my husbands ever first dog. People advised us to have a hipscore done as hip issues are common in large breed dogs. Not really knowing what a hipscore was we asked the vet to do a hipscore and he explained that under anastaetic (sorry English is our 2nd language) he would stretch the legs and feel if the bone would be appropriately fitting in the hip socket making sure there is no laxity/flexibility and they would check the hips. The outcome was "your puppy is fine - all good". This was in May - since 2 weeks my pups hindlegs have failed him barely being able to carry his weight and have gone to a different vet (as this happened over a weekend). We now have found out that our beautiful Snowy does have hypdisplasia to our surprise. When I told the new vet that we had a "hipscore" done he requested the info from the previous vet (who moved overseas but the owner is still there).
    The new vet then told me a hipscore was never done at hurstbridge clinic, and then properly explained to me what a hipscore would include and that would never be done before 5 months (our vet told us this test had to be done before the age of 5 m).

    Because of the "good" outcome we also didn't take pet insurance at the time.
    It now looks like the worst case scenario as both his hips are not good.

    I went on the search for the breeder (but bought Snowy at PETS PARADISE IN DONCASTER) - they claim they no nothing and never had a history of hypdisplasia. We have found another couple who bought a samriever at pets paradise in Doncaster whose dog also had to have a hipreplacement at the age of 1,5. We are now looking for other people who may have bought a dog at PETS PARADISE IN DONCASTER who also have had problems with their dogs.

    Upon contacting the owner of the initial veterinary clinic (hurstbridge) I got bullied out of the conversation. They informed us that in their database it is recorded that one of Snowy's parent had a history of hipdisplasia and hence we wanted Snowy to be tested. THE INTERESTING PART IS THAT WE NEVER KNEW UNTIL LAST WEEK WHO THE BREEDER WAS. Nor will the vet answer me why I got a "good result" on a test I didn't ask for. Nor will the vet answer me why a hipscore was never done (he says we can't prove we asked for one) but the other test. We feel pretty deceived by the breeder, pet shop and the hurstbridge clinic - none who will take responsibility.

    Snowy is getting worse even with medication - tomorrow we have another consultation with the new vet about our options. We are wondering if there is anybody out there who has had issues similar to us and what did you do. We are currently seeking legal advice but we have to be able to prove that the dog's condition would have benefitted from an early discovery of the hipdisplasia and whether this other test should have given us a negative outcome instead of a "good" result.

    SORRY FOR THE LONG MESSAGE - WE ARE SO DESPERATE - and been crying a lot for the last two weeks looking at Snowy's deteriorating condition....please help!!

    thanks all!!

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    I really feel for your poor puppy.

    My dog Sam has advanced hip dysplasia and was diagnosed at around 2 years. He is on metacam until that is no longer effective and we try and boost him up with sasha blend treats.

    its a long road, but something you may want to consider is a vet clinic in Kur-ring-Gai that is experimenting with using the dogs own fat stem cells and injecting them into the joints hoping they reactivate and help the area. Their sucess rates are okay, no dog has never not had an improvement but it ranges from 9%-90% thereabouts.

    Unfortunately pet shops support unethical breeding from people who are usually puppy farmers. A cross breed will never come from a proper registered breeder. Its a risky business. I am not sure what legal action you can take TBH.

    Goodluck with everything.

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    I hope you can help your little one but the end result may be the one we don't want to think about. I feel for you.

    I know this might not be the right time, but I have to say this. If you had purchased a pure bred puppy from a reputable breeder, they would have hip scored the parents and you would know exactly what chance your little one had of developing HD.

    Responsible purebred breeders remove dogs with bad hip scores from their breeding programs so that this doesn't happen.

    A responsible breeder would also be right now offering you all the support they could in this situation.

    Pet shops get their puppies from puppy farms, back yard breeders and many disreputable people. As you have discovered, they don't health test, they have no idea what health issues the parent dogs have nor do they really understand WHY they should.

    Good luck with your pup. I hope you can find the answers that you need. I hope someone can ease the pain that your dog may be in and be a comfort to you too.
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    OMG!!

    I feel so sick. As most of you know I bought a Golden Retriever x Samoyed from Melbourne 4 months ago. I don't suppose there are many places that cross these breeds so I'm terrified she's from the same place. I have just spoken to my vet and they are going to x-ray Jenna when she is desexed at 6 months but now I feel like I have a ticking time bomb. Can anyone tell me what steps I can take to reduce her chances of getting this or is it a forgone conclusion? I am feeding her Eukanuba and making sure she doesn't gain too much weight. I limit her walks to 20 mins twice a day (is this too much?). She is 17 weeks old. We don't have stairs so she isn't jumping up putting too much weight on her hips. Anything else I should be doing/not doing?

    As I have learnt on here (unfortunately too late) do not buy designer cross breeds as it seems to be a recipe for disaster. I just didn't know at the time. I wasn't even looking to get a puppy yet, when I saw Jenna and fell in love with her. I know it sounds stupid but i was looking for some kind of 'sign' that I should get her and then I noticed she was born on my wedding anniversary and thought 'there's my sign'. Stupid I know.

    We went through so much when we lost Holly. I just wanted another dog to run on the beach and go for long walks in the forest and just enjoy being together. I was considering a rescue dog and often looked on their website but then Jenna came along and, well the rest is history. God, I wish I could turn the clock back. I don't want to have to take that awful trip to the vets again, at least not for many years.

    I can't believe I read this post today. I am just a week too late to have that proceedure I mentioned a few weeks ago done,to test for laxity of the joints and even preventative surgery if anything is detected. I can't stop crying looking at my 'baby' and terrified for her future.
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    Moningo, this is so very sad. I really feel for you and your husband and the poor pup.

    A workmate had similar problems with a pet shop Labrador. Quality of life was improved by the use of some alternate therapies, including Bowan Therapy I think, but all was done with her Vet's approval.

    Certainly something should be done about both the Vet, the pet shop (this particular group has a very bad reputation) and the breeder. How to do it is the problem. Have you thought of contacting the media? This may prompt other people with similar problems to speak up.

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    tkay - I hope Jenna is ok.

    Sorry, as HD is not something I am hugely knowledgable about I can't offer any real advice, just an interested ear to chat to for both of you.
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    The "beauty" of buying unregistered, designer or byb dogs... I'm really sorry that you and your dog have to go through all of this.

    here's another link to a similar topic where I explained somethings and posted some links.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...dysplasia.html

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    I found out my GS x Cattle x Husky had this at bout the age of 4 (he hid his pain well). I was told by the vet it was either a double hip replacement (10 thousand dollars)or he would hav 2be put down due to pain.
    I cried for days.
    I didnt like the idea of such a huge operation that my dog wouldnt understand. I went to another vet who suggested Cartrophen shots, one a wk for 4 wks then approx every 6-8 months as needed. The result was immediate and amazing. I can tell when his nxt shots r due cause he slows down. Mayb not the perfect solution but I know my boy is not in any pain. He is now 7 and more of a puppy than ever. My 13 yr old Rotti now receives them just to help her grow old free of pain.
    I also make sure my dogs r not over weight at all.
    The shots dont always help all dogs but mayb you should talk to a (trusted) vet.
    Hope this mite help.

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    I think most states have something in their trade practices about selling "goods" of "merchantable quality" and "fit for purpose". So a puppy that can't walk without huge medical expense arguably (lawyers make money here) not qualify.

    It would be a good idea to put in a formal complaint - then at least there would be a government record against the pet shop, breeder and vet.

    In a normal "not fit for purpose" case - you take your "goods" aka the puppy back to where you got it and ask for your money back. But given this is a live creature you may want to ask for the medical expenses instead - which may involve small claims court or lots of money with the lawyers, or going to the media or even the RSPCA.

    I think real estate and second hand cars are a bit of an exception to this - especially when bought at auction because no promises are made about "fit for purpose", and most things are sold as "buyer beware".

    One more thing - in case of buying things - never go to the vet/house inspector/mechanic recommended by the vendor, they're almost always in collu$ion - always find one of your own - ideally via one of your friends who has used the same vet / house inspector/mechanic .

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    Moningo, I have to agree with Anne, this most likely would not have happened if you had gone to a reputable breeder of pure breed dogs.

    I do question these damned Vets though as it has unfortunately become common practice to X-ray pups way too young when puppies hips haven't had a chance to grow or form during puppys growth period. Vets are doing this not only for hips but elbows and other joints and then they recommend surgery only to STUFF UP the growing joints for life. If they left these puppies alone , let them finish growing and X-rayed at 12mths of age, they would get a truer reading of the hips.
    If I were you I would take your puppy to Werribee University Animal Hospital to see what they say and give those other Vets the flick !

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