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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    But Parsons are not the same as a fox terreir(as we know them).
    Fox Terriers looked very similar to "Parsons" before the mid 1800,s when dog shows started. These dog shows turned the Fox Terrier from an animal strongly looking like a "Parson" to the animal with the exaggerated features we are familiar with today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother fox View Post
    Fox Terriers looked very similar to "Parsons" before the mid 1800,s when dog shows started. These dog shows turned the Fox Terrier from an animal strongly looking like a "Parson" to the animal with the exaggerated features we are familiar with today.
    That's how I know it also & there where fox terriers that looked more JR or where they as your saying before they introduced the extreme brick head. The pictures my mum has of what she calls Fox Terriers back in Dundee Scotland look to be like slightly heavier head & longer(but not extreme brick like) heads than a JR & slightly longer legs than the origanal short legged JR's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazydog View Post
    The Parson was breed by a man called Parson & are they where the origanal jack russell & origanily had short legs(not now a days). I have owned both & both where full paper dogs & much different to each other in stucture.
    Jack Russells have never had short legs. They should give an appearance of a very long legged terrier even if they are under 12 inches tall because of their shallow chest and straight legs like arrows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother fox View Post
    Jack Russells have never had short legs. They should give an appearance of a very long legged terrier even if they are under 12 inches tall because of their shallow chest and straight legs like arrows.
    But they where not as long as todays exsamples of the breed where they?
    That's right swallow chest gives impression of long legs but todays dogs do have way too long legs in my book.
    You have not answered me about what fox terriers my mum had pictures of from scottland.

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    The "Parson" that has been bred for show has got taller and taller over the years because it is much, much easier to breed dogs for conformation for the show ring out of these taller types. John Russell used to show his dogs against Fox Terriers in the same class so there was very little difference between them in the early days of dog showing. His own kennel consisted of only rough and broken coated types as he believed smooth coated dogs contained bull blood but he was known to use dogs from the Grove Hunt for breeding which at the time had the very best Fox Terrier blood in the world. As for the Scottish dogs do you mean block headed dogs with working Lakeland blood usually with hard wirey jackets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brother fox View Post
    The "Parson" that has been bred for show has got taller and taller over the years because it is much, much easier to breed dogs for conformation for the show ring out of these taller types. John Russell used to show his dogs against Fox Terriers in the same class so there was very little difference between them in the early days of dog showing. His own kennel consisted of only rough and broken coated types as he believed smooth coated dogs contained bull blood but he was known to use dogs from the Grove Hunt for breeding which at the time had the very best Fox Terrier blood in the world. As for the Scottish dogs do you mean block headed dogs with working Lakeland blood usually with hard wirey jackets?
    I am not sure it's a photo from 1940ish of a pair of rough coated dogs that to me look like a slightly larger & broader/longer headed Jack Russells but it say's Fox Terrier(mum also calls them old scottish fox terriers). Their heads are no where near as brick shaped or as long as todays Fox Terrier & 1 was nearly all white with an eye patch & I think a tail patch & the other is a white base tri colour with no where near as much white. I think it's an old ciggerette card or something but I have always wondered about the so called Fox Terriers on it as they looked so different to what we see today in the show ring. Just wondering if you had any ideas or are they just the more old fashion turn of the ceuntry type Fox Terriers????

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    It would be hard to comment on without seeing the photo. As for the photo of the ANKC Jack Russell Terrier you can see this terrier has a strong influence of Border Terrier, Cairn Terrier and Sealyham in it,s makeup and there is no way it would pass it,s own standard and the "Parson" is a bit on the large side.

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