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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    PS do not get the heart worm injection at the same time. Separate by at least two weeks but ideally a month or so. The instructions that come with the heart worm injection (instructions available on the web) say do not give it at the same time as the vax jabs. Which one of my vets did. Ie all together now. I'm surprised my dog is still alive. She was really flat afterwards tho.
    Wowee, okay I did not know this one! When Asha had her final booster, her heartworm injection was also done. Nothing in her personality changed over the following days, she was 100% normal.

    That's scary though! Thanks for the info.


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    In respect to annual vaccinations - My cat, now almost 10 years old, is being cut back to every 2 years for vacs.

    I will take to heart the comments and watch this thread and do a bit more research for myself also, in respect to all of the vacs, as we have always been a household of "every year, every pet" but with research constantly presenting now that it's not the case, it's time for me to make some decisions.

    I have recently changed to a wonderful vet practice who seem to be more about the pet than the pocket - they are all lovely and the vet will talk to the animals more than he speak with the owners - I like that he is strange, bare foot at times and listens rather than speaks.
    Asha - 22/05/15 Wolfhound cross a Dogue De Bordeaux X American Bulldog.

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    This was where i started in my research farrview. And that got me interested. Which led to a visit to the epidemiology (aka study of disease), and for me, and mine, no more annual vac, heart worm, kennel cough, happy with 3yr C3 for dogs not competing/socialising

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    Interesting thread, thanks for starting it farview. I've recently been doing some research on annual vs 3 year vaccinations for my dogs - now they don't go to the kennels I only need C3. I mentioned this to my vet recently when I was in getting a cartrophen injection for my old dog Oscar and she could barely mask the look of fury that flitted across her face before she launched into a very lengthy (and emotive, not scientific) monologue as to why I should continue annual vaccinations. No real arguments I could understand, and a breathtakingly arrogant dismissal of my quite considered questions.

    So today I did a search of vets in Darwin (not many) to see if there were any who entertained the 3 yr vacc method recommended by the Australian Veterinary Association. Most clearly stated on their website that dogs MUST be vaccinated annually as the protection "weakens over time". I found one vet that seemed open to the idea so rang them. The vet nurse I spoke to said they do both and leave it up to the owner to decide - she also said she gave her dogs the 3 yearly one and had no problems with that. Given that Darwin has a high incidence of parvovirus I don't take this decision lightly, but I do think the main problem is that so many idiots here just don't vaccinate their pups at all. So I'm booked in to a new vet now.

    If I was still using the kennel regularly I would probably have to go back to annual. I did entertain the titer test to check antibodies, but there seems to be some issues with that as well. Here are a couple of links on the vacc question:
    Frequently asked questions | Australian Veterinary Association
    https://www.choice.com.au/outdoor/pe...et-vaccination

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    I should also add that my live-out partner's daughter is a vet nurse and their dogs are subjected to a constant barrage of injections, pills and potions for everything under the sun - the daughter sees far to often the end result of animals who get zero care in that department, and I get that.

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    My vet does the 3 year vaccination no problem. It just makes Maggie sick. Now reading this I wonder if there was a reaction with the Panoramis I gave her for heart worm, can't recall if it was all at thecsame time.
    Will certainly do titres and keep looking at this.

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    I have no problem with the 3 year vaccine and my dogs do have to be kennelled on occasion. I trust the advice of my friend who is a specialist vet. Long before the 3 year vaccination she always considered that annual vaccinations were probably overkill.

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    Dr Jean Dodds (considered a world leading expert) (Dr. Jean Dodds' Pet Health Resource Blog | Frequently Asked Questions about Titers and...) writes:

    "I suggest titer testing your dog every three years for both distemper and parvovirus. You can also titer for adenovirus, although we don’t routinely recommend it.

    Importantly, any measurable titer to a vaccine including distemper & parvovirus means that the dog has specific committed immune memory cells to respond and afford protection upon exposure. It really doesn’t matter how high the titer result is as long as it measures something. If your dogs consistently have no measurable titer to canine distemper virus, it means mean that they are distemper “non-or low-responders”, an heritable trait where they will never mount immunity to distemper and will always be susceptible. These dogs should not be used for breeding."

    Essentially, any measurable level on a titre confirms seroconversion and therefore immunity. Which is most likely lifelong. Meaning unless you titre and get a zero response, there is no need to re-vaccinate. At all. (Beyond the puppy vacs and booster at 1 year, that is. Dr Dodds' website, Hemopet, has lots of information on vaccination schedules if anyone is interested).

    I had titres come back here in Australia for Villain at no response for Distemper. I sent bloods to the US to Dr Dodds and her testing (more sensitive) identified antibodies present.

    So- every 3-5 years I plan to send bloods to the US and as long as there is a measurable response, I wont be vaccinating because my dog has confirmed immunity.

    (I do use kennels occasionally, and the kennels I use accept titre documents).

    On another note: I have it from an extremely trustworthy source that the 3 year vaccine simply contains double and triple the dose of Distemper and Parvovirus. Why anyone would want to put that strain on a dogs immune system knowingly is something I don't understand. The single year vaccine is enough to seroconvert- potentially for lifetime immunity. If you decide to revaccinate every three years, the single year vaccine is still more than enough (at less cost).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Villain & Flirtt View Post
    On another note: I have it from an extremely trustworthy source that the 3 year vaccine simply contains double and triple the dose of Distemper and Parvovirus. Why anyone would want to put that strain on a dogs immune system knowingly is something I don't understand. The single year vaccine is enough to seroconvert- potentially for lifetime immunity. If you decide to revaccinate every three years, the single year vaccine is still more than enough (at less cost).
    Not sure on that one. I understood them to be a different developed strain of the virus that conferred better immunity like the ones that you only need to give twice as puppy vacs because they were developed to overcome maternal immunity better, negating the need for a 3rd puppy vac. I cant imagine they would just triple the dose, that really doesn't make sense to me. I will ask my trusted source of info what the deal is with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    Not sure on that one. I understood them to be a different developed strain of the virus that conferred better immunity like the ones that you only need to give twice as puppy vacs because they were developed to overcome maternal immunity better, negating the need for a 3rd puppy vac. I cant imagine they would just triple the dose, that really doesn't make sense to me. I will ask my trusted source of info what the deal is with them.
    Exactly what I thought, too.... would be very interested to hear what your source says. My info came from an individual within the drug company who make the vaccines, but obviously I cant actually share my source, because it was all very, very hush-hush and clandestine and all that... (god, it sounds patently ridiculous, and it was to a degree). It was while we were investigating Villain's possible status as a distemper non-responder.
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    Yes I will try and find out more. It doesn't make economic sense for a drug company to sell a vaccine that has 3 times as much product that is only given once every 3 years for much the same cost as an annual vaccine.

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