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    So, ive found 5 breeders of mals in Vic. Im starting close to home.
    Only, when i check out the first malinios pup set, they are Turvs (which are one of the 4 kinds, not the one i want, weird squashed dome heads, and so straight in the leg, and on its toes, im kinda put off!
    I check out what i think i want. A Belgium Malinois. And the photo is the same as the one in my head. the dogs that Nekhbet has shit loads of! Their back legs look normal to me. Like a shepherds feet, only cuter. And skinny as. So i check out the malinois videos, and I recognise 'that' thiness and i know what causes it - drive, and i am very excited by watching these dogs working. They really are special!
    should i be allowed to have one of these?
    Im out at the weekend, hunting some down. I want to get up close and watch em, and watch em get switched on/off, whilst out.

    I check out another litter, and they are the right ones, but sold, but im thinking 2016 anyhow. I get the name of the dam and sire. And go hunting. I of course am not going to find. Here at zorgendorph kennels, we pride ourselves on having introduced HD ED problematic dogs. Or dogs of unsound character. So yeah, they are pedigree.
    So then i start looking at who won what comps working, and these dogs ancestors names, where sparse on one side, and not a mention in other.
    I feel like im stuck in some blind alley research, trying to find a working line, that is not overly priced, and is on the main register. < not sure why i need that, other than to keep my options open perhaps? Sposing i buy a dud? and it wont chase jack! God forbid another Brian! lol
    It'll be my bad decision. Feels like a lot of responsibility now.
    So i need to make a good decision.

    Its early days, and a painful process, of scowering competition winners ancesters, and then trying to see if any of the ancesters match?
    Ive seen a website, where they are truly littered with champions, but the prices are starting at $4000.

    Ive seen sold on all adverts so far.
    Perhaps i treat myself to a black standard poodle, a white standard poodle (cheap as chips), a licence and pop them in the back yard, and get me one of those piebald puppy ones!
    But i just need a spot on a waiting list. As you have to put deposit on pup, decision time is before i get on any list.

    It shows how old your dogs are, when the price of their replacements has doubled!
    But a great line GSD would be dearer than a mal.

    The search continues

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    I hear you. We went through the same thing looking for the dogs we now have. Took 4 years to find one, 3 for the next and "accidentaly" found the cross we used when the 1st ped. would not breed and I refused to try AI . I'd never have forgiven myself if anything had gone wrong.

    You know just what you want in a dog. Its so near impossible to find it.

    Theres some thing terribly wrong when you are expected to travel the world, research till you are expert enough to do it yourself, pay prices that would put a deposit on a home for life and still no guarantees it will live up to expectations.
    All for a dog that only needs to fill YOUR expectations, not win shows, trials or comps of any kind. It would be easier if thats "all" I did want.

    I realy, realy don't want to do this again. But I am. Sigh. Or face loosing what we have.

    You should do better than that, you have choosen a breed in much better condition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    So, ive found 5 breeders of mals in Vic. Im starting close to home.
    Only, when i check out the first malinios pup set, they are Turvs (which are one of the 4 kinds, not the one i want, weird squashed dome heads, and so straight in the leg, and on its toes, im kinda put off!

    The search continues
    Goodness the Tervs I know have heads like Malinois. Certainly not weird squashed dome heads. They are also incredibly athletic, one I know is rising 10 and still smashing it on the agility course. Mind you they are from Europe so maybe the lines there are different to Australian lines. I have never seen one from Australian lines.

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    Maybe contact these 2 people ?

    ‘Nekhbet’ said in your other thread -
    Puppies due early next year
    Steve from this FB page has pups cooking ATM - https://www.facebook.com/herzhundmalinois?fref=ts



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    Belgium Malinois
    Belgian Malinois - tho if breeders are that unforgiving maybe they're not the right ones. I think I'd be putting myself on Nekhbet's waiting list if I wanted one tho.

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    ive approached both suggestions. Awaiting reply.
    written to two breeders couple of weeks ago, nowt back yet.
    Met 2 mals yesterday, up on the hills they were chasing rabbits. I had my 2 on leash. The 2 mals were dog/dog reactive, so we had to stay out of zone.
    I note that mals are as crap at rabbitting as GSD's lol
    which is good, as whilst i dont mind the game, i dont want a dead bunny present coming home.

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    Sign of the times regarding prices – though ethical breeders generally don’t charge exactly what their pups are really worth. They do it for the betterment of the breed and not their own pockets.

    The last pup I bought was very reasonable in price - for her breeding and also she is on main register. It did help that I fell absolutely in love with her sire – many, many years ago ! The breeder and I co-own – as far as Dogs (State) is concerned. I don’t have a problem with that and I haven’t had a problem at all with the breeder. Other breeders of GSPs were doing the same old ‘again’ breeding of the same sire and dam - and asking at least $500 more.

    You have seen these ?

    Belgian Shepherd Dog Breeders, Australia

    Some very nice looking ‘old style GSDs’:

    German Shepherd Dog Breeders, Australia

    It is not that expensive to get a pup transported to you. So don’t discount breeders from other states.

    Do be careful with the health testing of the parents. It took me 3 years to find my latest GSP pup – mainly because of the health testing issues in the breed. LD has popped up in a few of the breeders’ lines lately and it is a big worry.

    I do have to say – I love standard poodles ! My previous boy’s BGF was a black standard and she was gorgeous. As you do your OH’s hair – I am sure a standard would be a ‘walk in the park’ !

    Heaps of Good Luck Wishes – but do your homework on the health side of things !

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    I have only met a couple of Mals and both were dog reactive. Certainly a breed that needs some serious training and a job I would think. I do find them a breed that I am attracted to but I think my working bred collies, kelpies and cattle dogs are enough dog for me LOL.

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    GSD's are dog reactive too. Ive heard. Well all of mine started out dog/dog reactive from 20 weeks of age (ish) just trained them to stop, much like biting me had to be trained to stop.

    I perhaps naively believe, a dog can have this trait handled well, if not eradicated. We'll see eh?
    worst case scenario? when its off leash doing agility, it will lose focus and react to another dog on training field. If i have a mal, and its focus is so weak, that during a run it loses focus, i have more of an issue then dog reactivity, ive bought the wrong dog full stop!

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    There are a lot of top mals in agility and obedience and protection sports. I dont think focus will be a problem. Border collies can be dog reactive when hyped at agility but I see very few lose focus in the ring. They just need to be managed well outside the ring when they are wound up. Thought this was quite interesting

    https://sarahwilsondogexpert.com/why...-to-hate-labs/

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