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    interesting article Kalacreek. And one id support from my experience. There are dogs who are great at greeting strange dogs. Pohm has all the labs wiggle and waggy tail, but couples it with a 'i'll just lay at your feet with my belly n throat exposed' very very clear message. She only wants a greet n sniff.
    Should a dog attack her when she's led down, well it all goes to shit then, and she puts them in their place, fast, firm, then has forgiven it just as fast.

    Bernie will avoid all friction between dogs. But if started, he will finish it, rapidly, without injuring the other dog so far, just brute strength and size and volume seems to do the trick for him. As its a rare day, in fact, its not happened yet in 8 yrs, we've met a dog larger/stronger than he is. 8stone is a lot of weight to lean into a strange dog i guess. And SWF are in large supply around retirementville, where i live.

    these kinds of dogs (working lines), are not pets. they make crap pets if you do not train them. Too high drive with no off switch is a nightmare to live with. Ask any owner of a working line dog that is 9 months old!

    I intend to train the heck out of it from day 1. Of course the obedience stuff. But way more than this also. And reserve the right to have moments, when i know ive been really stupid in selecting a high drive dog, that eats the inside of my car perhaps?

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    Should a dog attack her when she's led down, well it all goes to shit then, and she puts them in their place, fast, firm, then has forgiven it just as fast.
    Gawd Evil hound does this - lies down - rolls over and if the other dog doesn't sniff politely and go - she scolds the hell out of it. Which freaks the owner out... and me. Tho I'm pretty confident she'd not cause any permanent damage - it tends to traumatise the other owner and their dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    these kinds of dogs (working lines), are not pets. they make crap pets if you do not train them. Too high drive with no off switch is a nightmare to live with. Ask any owner of a working line dog that is 9 months old!

    I intend to train the heck out of it from day 1. Of course the obedience stuff. But way more than this also. And reserve the right to have moments, when i know ive been really stupid in selecting a high drive dog, that eats the inside of my car perhaps?
    I think that you should be able to find one bred with an off switch. My working line BC is as high drive as any dog I know but he does have an off switch thank goodness. He is ready in full drive and intense focus to work at a moments notice but will completely chill when nothing is happening. It is a bit more challenging at agility trials because of the chaotic environment and he is definitely not the type of dog you rev up with a tug before going into the ring. Instead I work with him to get his focus on me, to stay calm and to not go into hyperdrive lol. He is a pretty strong and committed sheepdog and we have had our battles over the years over who is right. LOve the dogs with drive and attitude but like to be able to convert into focus on the job and working as a team.

    I popped into a car shop to get something and passed an immaculate car completely decked out with white fur interior. There was a cattle dog puppy inside systematically ripping the interior to shreds. OMG!

    Good luck with finding your maliraptor lol!

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    maliraptor < very funny!

    I remember reading on here, that GSD's are land sharks. These names can only of been dreamt up by those that have been a victim of these puppies.

    I have also written to Bernie's breeder, to ask for details of where there maybe a breeding one from same line. Im certainly trawling further than Vic. Most flights for pups are around $300-400 interstate. Having looked it up last year. We ended up driving from Vic to QLD, as i didnt want the dogs going through the flight due to silly mum thoughts about 'my babies'. Daft as a brush sometimes i am.

    What do you have to do to become a breeder? I know you must be registered. Is there a course? or is it like my multiple animal permit, they check your land/equipment, and that the fee has been paid in full! that's about it.

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    What do you have to do to become a breeder? I know you must be registered. Is there a course? or is it like my multiple animal permit, they check your land/equipment, and that the fee has been paid in full! that's about it.
    There are courses in "animal husbandry" - which would probably teach something about genetics - but gumtree is proof that all someone needs to be a "breeder" is a fertile bitch. Sad really. I know that Vic has been trying to toughen up the rules - if only you had to pass a licence knowledge test to breed humans - but that's never going to happen. But I think they make exception for people breeding small scale ie only one bitch in their back yard.

    I popped into a car shop to get something and passed an immaculate car completely decked out with white fur interior. There was a cattle dog puppy inside systematically ripping the interior to shreds. OMG!
    Every now and again I think I can get evil hound a sheep skin rug - but so far - she's pretty determined to pluck it clean and then eat the leather. A friend of mine had a cairn terrier x border terrier - who shredded the interior of her station wagon (not very fancy upholstery). The first few times I left my dog alone inside the car - I checked pretty often, but she was more concerned with yelling at me to let her out than ripping things up. These days - she just goes to sleep.

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    Been knocked back by two breeders. They want someone known in show for their pups. I get it. But disappointing.

    Im grateful that i have a trailer on the ute, very little damage they can do there. But 5 minutes inside a car, can cover it in hair.

    Im sure the reason i dont have destroyed stuff, is that there is always a bone daily to destroy instead.

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    Found my new baby:
    Zico v.d. Berlex Hoeve
    (imp. Belgium) SchH.3, IPO3, FH2, No. 3 FCI
    World Championship (equal points with the winner & awarded Helper’s Choice), No. 2 Belgium National Championship (equal points with
    the winner) and a RAAF-preferred-sire of Military Working Dogs. Zico is considered the legendary Turcodos v.d. Duvetorre’s best son.
    The dam,
    Lilo v.d. Krähenschmiede
    IPO3 has proven to be an outstanding individual. As a superior brood bitch as well as trialled 4 times
    for 4 times High In Trial in Germany (DVG & SV trials) & Australia. In 2014 she became Australian Grand National IPO 3 Champion

    Where's Nehkbet?
    Is this a healthy line? Her claims seem genuine to her dogs success in IPO
    Litter expected Jan 2016, perfect timing for my Feb/March annual leave to receive the pup and settle it in.

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    wow - that's impressive parentage - nothing about the genetics as far as structure goes... (not combining something bad?)

    Where is it? (what state?)

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    I have Zico free lines and I will not use IPO/Schutzhund dogs in any breedings I do. In the Malinois world IPO and KNPV lines can be as different as working GSDs to show line GSDs. I prefer to stick with dogs that have had a more comprehensive testing procedure that works also outside of just pure prey work. IPO is slipping to what it used to be - there are now labradors, australian shepherds etc with IPO titles so to me it's become nothing more then pure sport.

    My breeding selection is also guided by my mentor who has been breeding and working dogs for services for over 20 years, and the opinions of two top law enforcement and KNPV people in Holland. I don't want to produce weak nerve nutters that cannot perform 110% no matter what that may be.

    As for being dog reactive, if you don't raise them properly they can be. I have 7 dogs together when I am home (I don't live in fairy land, I separate when I am not but that would be no matter the breed) and I use my dogs for consultations and dog school. My male doesn't bat an eyelid at another dog reacting towards him. A malinois is not a dragon, it's still a dog that just needs a little more experience and work.
    http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/Mali_nut/K9LOGO.jpg

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    A malinois is not a dragon, its just a pup that needs to come and live with ME, bernie and pohm.

    Ive had 3 dogs in my life, all around 9 months of age, given to me. Because they are dangerous, bite and control their owners/families as there are no rules to obey, and no consequences for rule breaks either. Just rewards for nice behaviour. Go figure?

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