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Thread: morning silly rant! Me, bernie, pohm and the karma police seeing the sun rise.

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    Default morning silly rant! Me, bernie, pohm and the karma police seeing the sun rise.

    that bloody woman with the BC's x 3 was out early this morning.
    She came into the paddock with her 3 dogs on leash. My 2 are off leash, and chasing rabbits everywhere badly.
    I quickly got the dogs, put a leash on them whilst she stood respectfully on perimeter of paddock, and then let her dogs go!
    One of which is not friendly to other dogs. And is very heavy handed on the greeting to stir up fights.

    As i became nearer to them, she hurled abuse! "yeah go on, run with your gay dogs", "bitch" etc. It was early, i was on a short fuse from seeing her. So acted badly, and let me dogs off leash.
    Yeah, i know stupid, but i can trust i have control over my dogs.

    So mine are watching me like a hawk, as i have 1 frizbee AND a ball.
    All lady has is 3 badly trained BC's.
    Her aggressor dog came over to investigate, jumped on pohm's back and immediately bit the back of her neck. She decked the dog and stood on it/led on it pinning it to the ground gowling down at it telling it off. I went over, clipped her on leash, and gave the "OUT" command, and she let go and came sat for her ball, which i immediately threw for her away from stupid folks/dogs.

    Woman then abusing me, not unexpectedly, saying my dog could of killed her BC. "yes, you are probably right, good morning" and i walked off 20 paces, and began throwing frizbee's and balls for my dogs into the lake to fetch. We had finished the encourter, no injuries, and now she has the knowledge that her dog can get hurt, by other dogs if it attacks. Maybe i thought, she'll change her dog handling now. She surely doesnt care who her dog bites, but getting bitten may produce to protective instinct i hope.

    Her 3 BC's, all on leash, all pulling howling and THEN

    Karma police came along. for every time her dogs have scared children, scared other dogs when they've attacked them, scared me when im out and she comes along swearing at me etc.

    Her 3 dogs turned on her. Rebound aggression.

    I tied mine to a tree with one leash, and went to help. I got the aggressor/leader of her pack off of its owner, by putting my leash around his back legs and dragging the dog backwards and secured it to a tree, so it wasn't going anywhere and cant bite me/her/dogs. At which point she gained control once more of the other 2. She had been bitten a few times by her own dog. She then went and leashed the aggressor, did so by feeding it a bloody treat! reward reward reward. Great.

    She thanked me, clearly very shaken. I said very little.
    She was in shock.
    I suggested she take a few minutes, as this stuff can really shake you up. She must of been in shock, as she wasnt swearing at me or giving me the bird sign, her usual feral behaviour when out with her dogs.

    Then I tried to gently say, you know, for 5 years ive watched that pup grow and have personally witnessed it attack other dogs, my son's puppy and now i have seen it turn on you. Perhaps it is time to call in a dog trainer, to help you sort his behaviour out. As had it turned on other dogs, who are not trained to "out" your dog could be dead now potentially, or you have a grand in Vet fees coming your way to repair it after a fight.

    She then starts crying. Saying she's so drained by this particular BC. That she's a BC lover, and he is nothing like a BC, so aggro from day one.
    It also wasn't the first time she has been bitten by it.
    She thanked me, and said, i had you all wrong, AND your dogs. I thought they were vicious looking and a dangerous, i simply said, you are right, there is an aggressive dog here, but its neither of mine.
    I bid her goodbye and walked off. Not wanting to hear any of this any more.

    9am today, im calling the council and reporting the dog. Her hands are a mess of scratchy biting wounds. "evidence".

    I was suprised the calmer of the 2 dogs also joined in attacking her. Surely that is not right?

    Please let this be the end of this BC"s reign of terror in this neighborhood!

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    The whole thing sounds awfull, owner doesnt sound the full quid. Can you report a dog for biting its owner?

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    Bernie can report the dog for biting Bernie's dog.

    I'm not sure you can fix stupid. And yes the woman was definitely in shock - brain works completely differerently and she will probably be back to her bird flipping self the next time you see her.

    I guess you could put Nekhbet or Villain and Flirrt's contact details in your pocket and ask her if she wants some help training her dogs - that those women can help.

    Has the aggressive BC still got its nuts? Cos that would be a start. And maybe a muzzle when out walking so it can't damage her or anyone else. Why does she let it off lead - I guess we know now that it bites her if she doesn't let it off lead.

    And you can't fix stupid.

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    I am pretty sure this woman has some form of 'issues' from her bizarre behaviours. She has many.
    1. She mows the grass to form a path, in the middle of a bird wetland sanctuary grasslands. And has yet to be stopped by the council, despite my providing video'd evidence of her doing this to the marshlands.
    2. She has 3 BC's lol all of which couldnt heard lemmings and are overweight, and full of fur im dying to groom out of the poor bugers when i see them.
    3. She wont let her dogs go in the longer grass. As its snake haven: sun/bracken and reeds full of food/water supply. When the snakes actually come out onto the shorter grass she has mown, to bathe in the sun, so she's having the opposite effect than she thinks.
    4. She talks to herself
    5. She has a spinning ritual, as she leashes her dogs, and gets stuck spinning

    The brown and white BC is the trouble. The other 2 are quite submissive. Yes he is still entire, hence pohm being the dog of interest. But she wont put up with that from Bernie or Brian, she's not about to let some random bite her neck. She is after all, a 'maiden' lol

    I have witnessed it bite, in order of concern IMO
    His owner
    His own family dog members
    My son's 12 week old puppy, who is now terrified of BC's. I dont know anyone who owns one, to counter train with.
    Other male dogs off leash and not under control/recall
    Bark at children
    Other female dogs off leash
    And numerous behavioural rescues in the nick of time, when owner is being attentive, which is often more than not. But sometimes very inatentive, especially if she has company she's nattering to, and not watching her dogs.
    Always greets other dogs: stiff gait, head upright, giving the BC "eye" to its prey target, the dog that was happily running zoomies just now, so it bites to make the prey move again. And the prey moves.

    Reward systems galore going on!

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    Hi Bernie

    I would escalate the problem with in council... ie talk to your ward reps that you're supposed to vote for and if they don't understand, talk to your state rep. It should be an easy fix for them to poke the respective council staff into action - usually via the council CEO.

    Do you know the crazy woman's address - that would help a lot.

    I've reported 2 unregistered cars tonight to council and police. A nice policeman came out to check one of them and found another unregistered car parked next to it. Oops. And there's two on the other side of the burb but still dog walking distance or make that three cos there was one out the front that's not registered either and the front plate has tape over it so it can't be photographed (too bad most speed cameras get the rear plate).

    Police buck pass to council and council buck pass back again and back and forwards... so that might be one for my state rep.

    Police seemed quite interested that one of the cars - I'd seen driving on one of our main roads yesterday - I recognised it instantly by licence plate and shape - cos the rego number is etched after dumbo dumped some litter at our local park including some boxes with his name and address. And two items of litter were tyres that match the car.

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    I do know crazy woman's address. AND have supplied the council with a video of her mowing the nature reserve during nesting season. They appeared very interested in this.
    I reported to the council, and awaited a call back.
    I got "a" call, from the council just now:
    A neighbour witnessed the incident and reported the dog to the council. Neighbour has a pug, that has nearly been dragged through the fence at gap at bottom by the brown BC. The dogs, and their feral owner are not popular with those of us who live here with dogs.
    So i corroborated the story sequence of events as the complainer had stated.

    But apparently...
    If a dog bites its own owner, it is not 'others', others that had their right to ' peaceful passage', so we are arguing fear in other, because they have seen the dog attack its owner.
    where the law sits is infringement of other people and to an extent, their dogs rights.
    It is possible, for an owner to report their own dog. But unlikely of course

    Investigation is underway. The dog has 3 report history with the council. Do i want the council to take it up? Er, yes! And what is being done about her mowing the grasslands? She will look into it, and let me know of its progress. Its been over a year, i wont hold my breath.

    If her BC is registered as dangerous, she will be forced to use equipment such as muzzle to protect others, and a permanent leash. whilst she gains control.
    Or - PTS.
    I think that its rare to find an idiot like me, that is willing to put the time and care into rehab of these rude aggressive bullies.
    Pop him on the dangerous dog register, and adhere to the guidelines of leashed, securely housed, on leash always, muzzled when out. Id be happy with that.

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    Very sad ending to this story im afraid.
    All 3 dogs were PTS by owner last week

    I met her at the supermarket last night, i havent seen her walking the dogs since, and she's a regular twice a day, every day dog walker. I asked how the dogs were, and was she ok, as it can be very shocking being involved in a dog incident. I know i have been in the past. And she told me, the dog warden from council, advised her to PTS, as get this: "once a dog has tasted human blood, its very likely it will reoccur, and perhaps involving a child" so she said she'd never forgive herself if that happened, so made the hard decision to PTS all 3.

    Jesus Christ! - so harsh and final a solution, to a problem. My husband is in agreement with PTS decision. We argued it over dinner last night. whilst i get the male as a possibility, as its rare to find a unpro trainer, with the time, patience, and willingness to train this out of a dog. But the 2 females? So wrong.
    And she had at least a few grand in dogs there.

    Its a horrid ending.

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    "once a dog has tasted human blood, its very likely it will reoccur, and perhaps involving a child"
    What a crock of sh*t. I'd report that guy to RSPCA. Sheesh - worst advice ever.

    PTS the dodgy BC maybe. And maybe she's too stupid or unwilling to learn to have dogs. But this is not going to solve that problem. Ie she will just get some more dogs and not train or control them...

    If you can't train a BC - something is really wrong with you. They are the most willing to be trained and fast learners too.

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    I am waiting, for a new pup to appear too.

    And that "if you cant train a BC, there is something seriously wrong with you" i totally agree with.

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