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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannat View Post
    No, Im not sure he does. In his life he has lived with a few people that had dogs and I think most of his dog experience comes from that. I think those were usually dogs that were not looked after particularly well and would have liked to have a lot more attention. So maybe I need to inform him a bit more... not that I know anything about herding dogs either really. I have actually never heard of a koolie before (I am not australian and only moved here recently), but they look and sound nice!
    I think my husbands concern with herding dogs is that they require constant attention and can get very annoying. Having said that, there is almost always someone home here, as we all work on the farm, and I consider myself a responsible person, so I would certainly not neglect my dog. What I am wondering is if a herding dog can really be happy if there is no real job for him, because there is nothing to herd? I guess they just need other types of exercise and plenty of it, right? Also aren't herding dogs pretty good at getting over fences? How do you solve that? Do you just have a really tall/awesome fence or is it no problem if the dog has enough to do on your property? I mean, our neighbour on one side has cows and the other neighbour has horses and geese, so there could be some motivation for a dog to jump/climb fences here.
    All in all, I think a herding dog would probably be most suitable for my situation.
    Yes herding breeds can be high maintenence and they can jump fences if they get bored. Mine never have but I do spend a lot of time with them and I have a patio area that I have fenced from roof to floor if I need to leave them for a long period of time. Mine are all working bred which could be a problem for you.

    Having said that I did once have a very nice showbred Border collie that I got from a Queensland show breeder and she showed absolutely no inclination to jump fences or wander. She had zero interest in herding and I could leave her in the garden area while I left the others in my secure patio. In fact I could leave her running loose with no problem, compeletely trustworthy. She was raised running free on a smallholding with kids by her breeder and a nicer dog you would be hard pressed to come by. She now lives with my sister, kids and horses, on a small horse property on the outskirts of suburbia where she is still exceptionally well behaved and has no interest in the horses. Her only downside was her long coat that I used to have to keep clipped with scissors, but I spent minimal time grooming her. The only reason she is still not with me is that I needed working dogs and she much prefers life where she is now. She always gives me a good welcome when I visit but is not inclined to leave with me LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    Hi 'Hannat' - Let’s look at things from another perspective ! Most importantly from a pup’s perspective !

    What can you offer a pup/dog ? Are you able to keep the pup/dog safe, trained, feed, watered, sheltered and vet cared for ?

    Pups need boundaries – just to start with - fences and gates seem to be a problem with you. If a breeder or a rescue did a home visit or even a ‘Mr Gi ggle’ search of your place – you would not get a pup from any of them.

    There are heap of responsibilities – also legal ones - involved with having a pup at your place. Are you aware of them all ?

    Training is paramount with any pup – regardless of the age. Sorry to say – but training is ongoing. It may be just reminders as they get older – but the training is continuous.

    It is a real shame that people that breed don’t realise this !

    Spending time in the yard with your pup – does not count. What do you see yourself doing with your pup in the yard ?

    You liked the sound of a ‘Lagotto Romagnolo’ - but - you don’t like what this breed looks like? Really ? I hope you realise that this breed is a ‘gundog breed’ ?

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    Please change your way of thinking. You really have things around the wrong way !

    I agree with the others above - a basenji would be not what I would suggest in your sort of situation – in fact it would be the last breed I would suggest.

    Please do some more homework – your criteria that you have stated above – that you want - is pooped and totally unrealistic !
    Hi Riley,

    Thanks for your post. I get the feeling you think Im a bit unresponsible or only think about myself?! I am relatively at the beginning of my research, so forgive me for being a bit uninformed or maybe even naive. I am aware that my situation is not entirely perfect for a dog just yet, but thats exactly why I am keen to talk to some people here, who actually know a lot about dogs. I dont have any friends who have dogs themselves and even though most of my family members do, I wouldnt call them dog-experts either. The fence issue wouldnt be an issue anymore, if I got the shop-area fenced off, which I will pretty much have to do. The rest of the fence is proper, so - unless I have a fence-climber (in which case - what can you really do?), that shouldnt be an issue. And the basenji was my husbands idea, Im already aware that it would be no good.

    And to be honest, I dont think I have things around the wrong way. I have to think about my own requirements first, then find a suitable breed, and then think about the finer adjustments of my situation to suit the dog. I cant very well start thinking about the dog's requirements, before I even know the breed and what requirements it would have. Or am I wrong?
    And I am starting to adjust my criteria right now, but I had to start somewhere and seeing as I have never chosen a breed before, I wasnt entirely sure which requirements to give most weight to - hence my original post in this forum.
    And the Lagotto Romagnolo is out too, so the gundog thing is no longer a concern.

    I am pretty confident that I can offer a dog a good home. I am aware that plenty of people just spontaneously get a dog without doing any research and without knowing anything about it, so I understand your skepticism, but I am certainly not one of those people. Ok, my defence statement is now over

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    I think Riley was concerned that how the puppy looks was a bit high up on your criteria.

    I don't choose a dog on looks first. Sometimes the look of the dog is reflected by the criteria eg if you don't want a slobbery dog - avoid one with big jowls like a St Bernard or a Blood hound (or unexpectedly - a stag hound = drool city). And if you want a non-shedding coat - you get the woolly coat type (Eg Laggotto Romaglo) - you can't have a flat coat and non shedding. It's a dog thing. And non - shedding means regular clipping.

    But I think I'm repeating myself.

    A lot of people when they first start looking for a dog have a bunch of criteria that conflict and as you do your research you have to get a bit decisive between those or you will be conned into a puppy farm special with a lot of promises they never intend to keep.

    BTW if a puppy seller does make promises that are important to you - make sure you get those in writing - with contact details and maybe an ABN or equivalent id. Eg their car licence plate if you visit where they live or work.

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    I could suggest a Japanese Spitz, But then I would be rather biased. However, they are smart and learn quickly if you have the time to invest. They generally have no interest in jumping fences. My fences are only 4 foot and never had one jump over it yet. They are good walking alarm systems to alert you to anything that should not be there, but they keep their distance ie, don't charge and attack. They do have long coats that shed, but are easy maintenance with brushing. Healthwise, they are pretty hardy dogs. There is an article on this forum if you want to read it.

    http://www.dogforum.com.au/japanese-...formation.html

    I'm just putting it out there.
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    Mitte

    You would not like what my bro said about Japanese Spitz. He thinks he'd lose his manhood if he was seen on the other end of a lead with one of these.

    I've refused to help him find his next dog. Mostly because his wife wants a dog that looks like a JP and he can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Mitte

    You would not like what my bro said about Japanese Spitz. He thinks he'd lose his manhood if he was seen on the other end of a lead with one of these.
    Found this in the Free Dictionary. Would this be correct Hya ?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free Dictionary

    wuss


    (wʊs) or woose; wussy (ˈwʊsɪ) n, pl wusses or wussies1. US a feeble or effeminate person

    [C20: perhaps from pussy1 (cat)]
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    Thanks again for all of your replies. I tried to write something here yesterday but it didnt work, so lets see if this will work...
    I have since decided to fence off a smaller area just behind the house, which has a huge tree in it, so theres always some shade. And because its a smaller bit, it will be easier to make sure, the fence is all good and the dog cant get out. So that solves the fence problem.

    Riley - to be honest I dont share your opinion that I am going about this from the wrong side. I have to think about my own requirements first before I think about the dog's, which doesnt mean Im not thinking about what a dog needs. I also dont feel like defending myself. I am in the early stages of thinking about getting a dog. This topic isnt ripe yet, my thoughts still need some time and effort to properly form and decisions will only be made after plenty of consideration, research and hopefully talking to some like-minded people who are a bit more experienced when it comes to dogs, which - as it happens - is the very reason I am on this forum in the first place.
    And if you think I am putting to much emphasis on the dogs look - feel free to argue with my husband about that, but good luck, because he can be a bit stubborn, which is what I am experiencing right now

    Mitte - thanks for your suggestion. I am actually visiting some people tomorrow who have, what I think is a japanese spitz. I could be wrong. So I guess I will find out more about them soon. Still dont think that that is what we'll get for the aforementioned reason.

    I think I need to spend some more time reading about different categories of breeds, which I guess would be smarter than thinking about specific breeds right now. But I feel like Im already smarter thanks to your input

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    Hi Hannat

    Sorry about me (moderators) not noticing your reply to Riley got hidden from everyone else. It was because of the links in Riley's post that you included in your quote. We have an awkward tradeoff that has saved us from many spammers but occasionally inconveniences or confuses newbies who break the no links in first few posts rule. it happens automatically but to the moderators who need to approve it, it looks like a normal post except for a tiny teeny tag in the heading.

    Great idea about having a dedicated properly fenced area for your dog - will save it from being squashed on the road or getting (accidentally) kidnapped by the shoppers...

    You still need to sort out the problem of conflicting criteria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hannat View Post
    This topic isnt ripe yet, my thoughts still need some time and effort to properly form and decisions will only be made after plenty of consideration, research and hopefully talking to some like-minded people who are a bit more experienced when it comes to dogs, which - as it happens - is the very reason I am on this forum in the first place.
    If only more people went about considering Dog ownership as you are, then the Dog world would be a better place.
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    Look into a show line Dobermann from quiet lines. Short hair, not much drive and not much guarding ability. I have one I took from a client who decided to breed his dogs, got her at 3 days old and bottle raised her. Smart enough to do basic training, not too smart to be over the top irritating and the only danger she poses is if you tripped over her. As for children and small animals she has no ill will or drive over them at all.
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