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    Hi there

    I'm looking to buy a Saint Bernard! I have been looking for a LONG time now and I've finally found a breeder.
    The only issue- they live 9 Hours away
    I'm willing to drive that far but this means I won't be able to view the pups/parents before I buy.

    I spoke to the breeder and she's been breeding for a long time now and seems to know everything there is to know about Saint Bernard's
    They have excellent hip and bone scores and I have seen photos of both parents and past litters

    I'm really not sure if I should take the risk of not being able to view the pups first.
    She's a registered breeder and her page is on a trusted website (dogzonline)
    I will be putting quite a large deposit on the pup as well

    Thoughts??
    Thanks in advance

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    Sorry there is NO WAY i would buy from that breeder. i do not care how experienced they are. I would be suspect of them. there are many scams where money is taken for puppies that are not really there. Photos of dogs are shown and so on.
    This is a case of buyer beware....

    I have newfoundland dogs, I have had quite a few from puppy and also from different breeders. At no time have i ever been refused to see the parents and or puppies. Maybe not every week or even not until they are due to go home. But before any money crossed hands we have seen our puppy/parents. Sometimes you have more issues viewing the Stud dog as he might be from frozen semen or not live at the place. i would find that acceptable.

    Please never give any money with out actually having a proper contract and seeing the place these dogs are. I have never had to pay a deposit. I have always paid for my puppywhen I picked them up.

    You also need to have a relationship with your breeder and so you also need to get to know the breeder. And I like meeting the parents of my dogs as this is how I decide as to wether I want the puppy and if it is a suitable line for what i do.

    I suppose you realise that a good Saint puppy can be worth up to $3000-$4000......any way below that again are suspect. have you actually seen the health tests? I mean the paperwork?

    Also a good way to check is with the ANKC and see if the people have actually bred puppies and how many. Time spent breeding does not equal good breeder. Puppy farms breed forever and they are not good. And there are purebreed puppy farms or close to it as they pump out the numbers and dogs just live a kenneled life as breeding dogs

    I also like to see the environment my puppies are raised. I go for the puppies that are raised indoor and have enrichment programs going.......my fave breeder has four children and lots of other pets and the puppies start life in a breeding box in the middle of the loungeroom/kitchen area. That is where my Yussie came from and she was so cool and confident and dealt with everything in life.

    So it is very important to meet the breeder, dogs and puppies.....I know it might seem an endless search, but stick with it. Go to shows and wait till after everything is finished and chat with Breeders/Show people. That is how I started. Wait until they have finished so they are not rushed. Go on Dogzonline and contact everyone and ask reasonable questions. And there are no guarentees if the are on Dogz or if they have an awesome website. You need to see where they are.

    I wish you luck. But I do know that there are some scams going, we have worked hard at getting rid of one in the newfie world.

    Not all are scams, some just are breeders that breed lots of pups in not too nice an environment and you are not allowed to see where.

    And there is always the ones who do not want a relationship withthe future owner, they might be a so called great breeder, but leave you out there hanging by yourself. With being new to the breed you need support and it is great to have breeders who care for their puppies forever and support you and give advise forever. I am quite lucky that way with mine from puppy. But I also have the Rescue who came from one of the "other" breeders who did not care afterwards and sent the puppy to totally unsuitable owners and left them hanging dry when they were unable to cope.....my Harry comes from one of those experienced non caring breeders

    Good luck, Ronnie
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    They have excellent hip and bone scores and I have seen photos of both parents and past litters
    How did you check the hip and bone scores? I'd expect to see a scan or copy of the paper work and then verify by ringing the phone number on the paperwork.

    I'd also like to see video of the parent dogs moving...

    This is the NSW St Bernard Club - they may be able to provide some independent information about the breeder you have chosen and whether they are responsible. Or give you contact info for the equivalent club in your state.
    The Saint Bernard Club Inc


    I would want to see the puppies and parent dogs first. Some St Bernards can be a bit aggresssive and you can't tell from a website or photos.

    Also I'd be a bit concerned that the breeder didn't want to check my home was suitable for St Bernard - tho this does happen.

    9 hours is not too far away for a weekend trip. I don't understand how you say you are willing to drive that far but you won't be able to see the parents and puppies before you commit. You might have to make the trip twice - once to see the puppies or parents and again to pick the puppy up but that could save a lifetime of heart ache if the breeder is not as she says. Or you just see things differently to her.

    Deposit is a bit of a red flag - ie it may encourage someone who changes their mind about a dog to take it anyway when it would be much better off going to someone who wants it.

    dogsonline is a pretty good website for a starting point for breeders but it should not be your only source of information. There are some breeders (not St Bernards - don't know much about them) that I think are puppy farmers just because of how many litters they have but they're still registered with ANKC and listed on Dogs Online.

    The NSW club website has a bit of info on what you should be doing to get the right puppy.

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    Yes it is a tricky one. I have bought a dog from the Eastern states from a breeder with a good name. She sent me photos and told me how the pups were raised and sent me copies of all the scans and genetic tests on the parents. So yeah I bought the pup sight unseen untill I picked her up at the airport and would have to do the same if I wanted another good working bred puppy from eastern states lines. It is not uncommon for performance people to bring puppies sight unseen over from the eastern states if you like a particular line of dog. Not completely failsafe but so far have not had a problem. I do prefer to see the dog but not always possible for me. I have usually had to pay a deposit as the dogs I am chasing are usually highly sought after. I usually have to rely on the breeder to pick a dog for my situation. I do have long discussions with the breeder and am pretty specific. My last working BC was picked for me by the breeder who is an experienced stock person. I traveled to pick the pup up and I have been very happy with him.

    My situation is probably slightly different as I usually buy from breeders that have dogs on the ground in working and performance sports with proven track records.

    In your case it is worthwhile travelling up to see the puppies. I have done that too. Made a couple of long trips to choose the pup and then to pickup.

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    My situation is probably slightly different as I usually buy from breeders that have dogs on the ground in working and performance sports with proven track records.
    You have information about the breeder and their dogs that comes from sources other than that breeder. That is very important.

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    I breed Saint Bernards...all my dogs have excellent hip and elbow scores and are in perfect health... have been breeding them for 30 yrs and have had many blue ribbon winners...no need to see them because I don't lie.

    I have puppies available now...please deposit $4000 in my bank account and I will fly a puppy to you free of charge...I will also give you a block of flats thrown in as well because I'm a nice guy.

    ps Pictures are available upon request.
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    You are very naughty Dogman. You really ought to ask $15,000 for those excellent St Bernards.

    And I have a very large bridge in Sydney to sell. It currently produces a large income - especially during rush hour...

    I reckon 1. 6 billion is a good price... but I will sell to you for $5000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    You are very naughty Dogman. You really ought to ask $15,000 for those excellent St Bernards.

    And I have a very large bridge in Sydney to sell. It currently produces a large income - especially during rush hour...

    I reckon 1. 6 billion is a good price... but I will sell to you for $5000

    Yes very naughty but I'm sure many people fall for these ads...remember the Nigerian scam...give us your bank account details and we'll deposit millions into it...yeah.

    Some time ago a guy put an ad in the paper saying...Send me $20 and I'll show you how to cut your electricity bill in half...of cause some idiots did (not me) and they were sent a pair of plastic scissors.

    All jokes aside...I would never buy anything unseen as it's just asking for trouble especially a puppy and nine hours away is just too far...as they say...seeing is believing.
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    From a Breeders perspective, I have sold a fair few Japanese Spitz sight unseen ( in the flesh ) to interstate buyers. As it's not possible to meet the buyers first , we conduct long interviews over the phone as well as send out questionnaires for all wishing to purchase to fill out. If the Questionnaire is not filled out, that person is immediately removed from our list. If their answers don't suit the way we want our pups to be raised and looked after, they are removed. We do 1 on 1 in person interviews with prospective buyers to get a feel of how much they really want a dog and are prepared to give it the best possible life. At the same time we are taking note of how our adult dogs are reacting to the people as I think a dog can sense more about a person than we can. If our Stud male wont come near you, then the chances of getting a pup are slim. He has clicked with some people and enjoyed cuddles but with others he has refused to go near them. The girls are more at ease with the buyers but they too give us signals about the buyers.

    Back to the sight unseen buyers.
    I do videos of our dogs and pups every 2 weeks which we send to the buyers still on the list. This way the people who can't come to visit can see the pups develop as they grow. We choose who gets which pup by using what we know about the interstate buyers and try to match to the personality of the pups. To this day we have had no complaints. We also have a Facebook page and our past buyers have given us very good ratings via FB.

    If the breeders you wish to buy from Maddie have not done a similar process with you, then I personally think they don't have the passion we have about our dogs and the future of every pup they sell.

    As a side note, sadly we are no longer breeding JS as we feel the last litter has put Kirri's body through too much stress and so last week she was spayed. She can now just enjoy the rest of her life without the stress of raising a litter. She has been the best Mum to her pups attending to their every need during whelping, but her body shows the stress after the pups have been weened.
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    mitte, it was lovely to read, how a decent owner, takes the lead in ending the breeding years, as the owner knows, the last litter too a huge toll on the mum. I wish others had your ethics.

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