Due to this forum recently updating things, i somehow got onto a page about breeding history info. And came across a statement, that we breed pedigree's for consistency in both appearance and temperament.
Its a bold statement to make!
I cant help thinking about all the old people you see, with doddery old dogs. That when you ask, you find out they are 3yrs old???? This nurture effect of sedate behaviors. Not due breeding, little formal trainer skill, just due to old fart rewarding sedate behaviours.
I cant help thinking of 3 breeding pairs of genes, went into producing a pack of fox hounds over years of course which i lived with as a kid. Same gene pool, yet such different temperament pups! some would come on good, others would fail in their allotted task in life and be PTS. PTS for not behaving like a fox hound does. ie. different ergo 'wrong' temperament. So definite selection process going on there by my grandfather, who prided himself on his breeding skills. Even at 12yrs, i can remember thinking, if you are so good, how come, we still have to PTS pups, that are still being produced by your stock? (PTS - dont get distracted by this, farming country, in 70's, PTS was something you got on with on farms, and dont visit a vet for). Horrifying these days, i know.
and i see:
Son's 2 dogs: siblings of same parents, a litter apart. Amazingly different outcomes, from what was exactly the same line mix of dogs.
Variables in pup rearing: 1st pup had undivided attention from owners, pre children. 2nd pup was raised with baby, ie little training time.
So even when you have full siblings, you can get 2 entirely different temperament dogs due to the environment the dog lands in.
And i remember meeting 5 Mals of my trainer. All from same working line stock. And of the 5, 1 was a couch potatoe.
And my own experience of being faithful to a breed, ie. owning one pedigree GSD after another, after another, ditto for rotties.
No two of these dogs has had the same temperament or nature.
Each has come with its own drives, even from same lines.
So how is this, breeding to have the same temperament?
I guess and it is i believe a guess: that you can try to replicate a dog, by breeding same lines, but unless you put those dogs to the same nurture influences, you cannot obtain a replica? Yet this massive variable seems to be ignored on breeders websites.
And even if you do get same gene pool, same litter, same sex, you will end up with 2 different natured dogs anyhow? No 2 dogs are alike.
So perhaps we are talking instincts that breeds of dogs often have?
Beagles bugger off
Gaurd dogs will gob off
Mastiff's will be stubborn
I reckon i could agree with instincts of breeds come through breeding.
I can definitely see appearances come through breeding.
But im not so sure, temperament is sufficiently nature, for breeders to harness it, i think its more nurture: what environment the pups go to.
Do you breed, and how successful is the temperament breeding? How is this tested?
Are you a same breed of dog, 2nd dog in (or 3rd) owner. Have your two dogs of same breed been the same?
Do you own siblings of same litter? are they the same?