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    I think I've missed the boat on training my dog "food refusal" too.

    She's pretty good at "its yer choice" but anything she finds for herself on the ground - she thinks is fair game. So I really ought to work on more "its yer choice" with yummy bits of chicken or chips at the park... sigh. She's quite good about things around the house. She will sit, drooling, looking at the open bucket of food and just bark... but she won't steal it. Not entirely sure how I got that. Enough stealus interupptus plus rewarding the drooly sit and look I guess.

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    How to train food refusal. Gently in a fun game for your dog. Ive done this with my last 3 dogs. And all 3 will refuse food because of it. it was not a separate exercise i had to train, its associative learning to be had out of the TOT.

    Triangle of temptation. TOT The dog then seeks you out, and your permission to eat, because its great fun to do so! There is a link on this to a sticky thread for Steve Courtney's TOT. I rave about this game to play with your dog/pup. Its a game to play, that naturally gently trains your dog to:
    sit
    stay
    watch me
    be tethered calmly
    food refusal
    sit and stay with you out of sight
    down stay with you out of sight
    sit (fast)
    down (watch your dog leap into a down for its prize)
    follow my leadership and seek my leadership
    develops communication pathway for you/dog to connect on, which in turn enhances everything you want to train or have your dog do, very similar to the effect of a clicker training method, its a form of communication.
    9 months of age, when the fear factor is highest, is a great time to train this exercise, as you can harness the dogs natural distrust of non pack members.

    or

    You decide: another game to play with your dog, that is very gentle training and fun. Hold nice small piece of highly prized food in hand, if the dog attempts to take it, close your hand around the food FAST, and wait till dog sits for it. Reward dog for this, by now feeding him the food.
    Rinse repeat, till dog is prompting you by sitting. This is a primer exercise, that has the dog controlling his own behavioural instincts, in order to get what he wants. THE FOOD!

    Now proof it, all around the house and garden, on walks, at the park etc.
    Proof it when the dog has just been fed and not so hungry, working backward, till you can do this, immediately prior to the dogs normal meal time. The hungrier the dog,the harder self control is for it.
    Proof it with another dog (food competition) present


    Now leave food scattered all over the garden and take your dog for a walk past the food. Your dog should be able to ignore food at end of training. then out in park, on walks etc. repeat, repeat, repeat.

    Now have others in family, village offer your dog food. Rewarding refusal by You feeding it a treat. Always you feeding, not the stranger. Dog learns, that stranger has steak, it smells great, but you are the one that feeds, not the stranger. "IF" it ignores the food.
    Family members feeding dog; just train its ok to eat from them too. Just outsiders, frequent visitors etc that they must refuse to. Dogs are smarter than my son, so they are easy to train in comparison.

    IF your dog loses control, and eats, i generally call it a nasty name in my head, but ignore it. when training. A trained dog will get a correction from me for doing this. And i will have the dog repeat the exercise correctly, if possible, to end on a good note.

    my dogs rarely get to be on a leash. So running free in country its common to come some decaying carcus or other. They dont eat it anymore, but still love to roll in it instead, nice!
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    sit - check
    stay - check
    watch me - check
    be tethered calmly - check (eventually - got a really good stay first - go figure)
    food refusal - fail
    sit and stay with you out of sight - check
    down stay with you out of sight - check
    sit (fast) - check
    down (watch your dog leap into a down for its prize) - check - that kind of drop where they chuck out their front legs and slam onto the ground mmm...
    follow my leadership and seek my leadership - fail...

    How did that happen. I will have to go look at TOT again - because I only got the be tied up and calm about it part. My puppy was crap at that. One time my ancient farmer cousin made me tie her up at the bottom of the garden while we had lunch on the verandah without her. And dog went nuts. Sigh. Horrible. Wonder she didn't snap her own neck with the stuff she tried. But I didn't know any better at the time.

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    Maxi is good at waiting for the ok to eat his diner, or a treat. Has been since a puppy.

    But if food in his reach and not guarded it's gone, and believe me it's not good for him but hey it's food and he don't care because it's a case of finders keepers with him.

    This is very frustrating and resulted in a couple of trips to the vets, when you have a child who leaves her door open and he sniffs out her lolly stash.
    “All his life he tried to be a good person. Many times, however, he failed. For after all, he was only human. He wasn't a dog.”
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    I had 2 dogs, successfully through TOT, when i tried it on Pohm our rottie x bordeaux cross.
    Yep, did all she could to snap her neck off. Shocked me at the time.

    Thank **** im not a positive only trainer, or id of cried myself to sleep lol

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    Thank **** im not a positive only trainer, or id of cried myself to sleep lol
    I think that's why I prefer to be a positive only trainer... at least no trainer is truly a positive only... because withholding the thing your dog wants - isn't positive from your dog's point of view... I think it's not from the +R quadrant either. More like the -R... and

    +P isn't fun from the dog's point of view but it is "positive" from the operant conditioning jargon behaviour scientist point of view...

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    the vast majority of dog theft around here is nothing as sinister as dog fighting.

    some are purebred trendy breeds targeted, stolen and destined to a puppy farm.

    some are hunting dogs that thieves can not be bothered to raise or train so they just steal - the dogs enthusiastically jump straight into the back of the thieves trucks. some of these guys are out from the city for a long weekend and when they are done they just leave the dog in the bush or on the side of the road.

    working stock dogs that again the thieves can't bother to raise and train their own so they just steal trained ones.

    the vast majority of "stolen" dogs are morons that refuse to shut their front gate or build a dog proof fence, most of these stolen dogs end up road kill, at the pound where more times than not the owner won't collect or they wander into the wrong yard and get attacked by another dog/s.
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    Ok so someone has been in my back yard either late yesterday afternoon or during last night. This morning I noticed that the kids bikes which I use as a noise buffer if someone opens that gate (push on the gate, bikes fall over and make a racket) the bikes have been moved far enough for someone to open the gate and squeeze in. The gate was still closed. I've asked my kids, partner and neighbour but no one has come in or out of that gate since I put the bikes up against it.... I have a vacant block on the same side of my house as well so there is no neighbour on that side to ask. I thought it might have been the gas man so ill ring them when they open but my gas bottles are not even close to needing an exchange so can't imagine why anyone else would have a reason good enough to need to get in that badly to push over the bikes. Max is to small still to push them over and they were pushed in far enough to open the gate and squeeze through..... Very strange and now I'm even more nervous. The security camera doesn't cover that side of the house so I can't even see who it was...

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    MMM

    If you have a vacant block next door - is it possible some kids lost their ball over your fence?

    I'd get a padlock for that gate tho. I don't like the gas meter reader person coming into my yard without letting me know - because my dog isn't very nice to strangers in the back yard... And some of them think if they ignore the dog and just keep marching that they won't get bit - but mine will definitely "ankle tap" someone who does that.

    I knew someone who put a milk crate or chair next to his garden tap - so that people could look over his fence (where the tap was) without standing on the tap and breaking it. His neighbours had some very special plants growing and people were constantly checking on their progress and after getting the tap broken all the time - he just facilitated them so they could indulge without breaking his stuff.

    security cameras are getting cheap. The other thing I'd want for the side of the house like that - is a motion sensor light. You can get plug in ones.... tho they might get stolen if they're easy to reach.

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    Hmm I took Maggie in for her annual vaccination and they replaced her microchip as it wasn't working!. So much for thinking that would have helped. It has only been in there for 2 years.
    I don't worry too much about theft as she is at the back and there is no entrance except for one gate which is locked. So it is not obvious she is even there.
    I worry more about what if somehow she got away/out/ran.
    We haven't had thefts here I am aware of.

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