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    Hi everyone, I only signed up today so this is my first post. I already mentioned it in the title but my one and a half year old beaglier (Lulu) was attacked yesterday. I'm still very very upset. It would be great if I could hear your opinions or advices.

    Before I start talking about yesterday's incident, I would like to mention that this is the SECOND time that Lulu has been attacked. Please don't say that I'm an irresponsible owner or something along that line because these attacks happened very suddenly and there was nothing I could do to prevent it. Please read the full story before you judge. Thank you.

    The first attack occurred when Lulu was just few months old so she was about the size of a full grown maltese (now she's nearly the size of a beagle). My mum and my younger sister were walking Lulu (to the shops then back). She was obviously on a leash when a small white dog ran out of a house and bit her. This happened suddenly and even my mum and younger sister were dumbfounded. But what angered us wasn't the fact that the owner of the dog allowed their dog to roam freely around the street. I understand that dogs can sometimes jump out of the house before the owners can stop them. However, what angered us was their attitude. They clearly knew that their dog attacked Lulu yet they ran to their dog and asked if it was ok. They completely ignored us and our dog too busy asking their own dog "Are you ok? You didn't get bitten?" Then they walked back inside their house without a word of apology.

    Due to this incident, Lulu became very timid around other dogs. I took her to a park where she would meet few dogs but she cringed away in fear. Luckily, we were able to meet a cavalier and Lulu gradually became used to being other dogs. However, one day I met an infamous man (at the same park) who owned a jack russell. And he is unbelievable. He lets his dog roam around off leash when the dog is clearly aggressive. When his dog chased Lulu around the park (Lulu was thankfully off leash) he would just watch while I ran around frantically trying to stop his dog. I even heard him saying "Good boy" after chasing my dog. Last time, he even hit a golden retriever (NOT HIS OWN DOG) as it got a bit aggressive as the jack russell tried to steal its ball. Anyway, meeting him and his dog didn't do any good for Lulu.

    The second attack occurred yesterday when my sister and I were walking Lulu to the park where a doggy outing was organised. On our way to the park, a black and white dog around the size of a full grown kelpie appeared behind us out of nowhere. That dog was unleashed and the owners were nowhere to be seen. Lulu was clearly afraid as she had her tail down and started backing way. Then all of a sudden, the unknown dog pounced at Lulu barking and growling trying to bite her. Hearing Lulu's scream (yes she screamed) I stupidly jumped into the fight trying to pick Lulu up. A very stupid move as I too could have been injured. Luckily the dog did not attack me as it was too busy attacking my dog. All I could hear that moment was Lulu screaming and shrieking and hearing the dog's owner calling for his dog. The dog briefly stopped attacking (maybe because it heard its owner? I don't know) and my sister and I fled from the scene. I should have waited there and said few words with the owner but I guess I was too scared. I'm angry at myself for being so helpless. I thought I was an independent adult but I guess I'm still a teenager. Anyway, even when we arrived at the park Lulu was just too scared to even let the other dogs sniff her so we had no choice but to go back home.

    Thankfully Lulu wasn't injured but I can still vividly see the dog attacking my dog even when I tried to interfere. I've been a dog lover all my life but I've never felt so afraid of a dog. I'm sorry for blabbering on I didn't plan to write this much. But right now I'm just really angry at how irresponsible some dog owners can be. From this experience I have few questions:

    Is there any way for Lulu to be less fearful of other dogs? How can I help her? She is fine at home and at an empty park and she's fine with people. She is good as long as there aren't any dogs around the same size as her or bigger.


    What should I do if Lulu/I'm being attacked by another dog?


    How should I deal with the owners?



    Thank you very much for reading my post.

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    Firstly hello! I'm also new here but have found the people on here have some great advice and are very friendly. I don't think you need to worry about anyone here telling you that you are irresponsible. There are some forums where people use their computer and keyboard to "have their say" and sometimes what they have to say is irrelevant and unhelpful, but I haven't found that on this forum.... Yet.

    Your poor little Lulu. What horrible experiences for both of you. There are definitely ignorant pet owners out there and stories like this are common (unfortunately) but I don't think you are an ignorant owner or irresponsible. There is now way to know if a dog is likely to be aggressive until it happens. And it's more confusing that some owners allow such dogs off leash as common sense tells the majority of us that aggressive dogs have no place being off leash in a dog park (or public area full stop)

    I had two dogs previously to Max. Zeus was a Great Dane x bull mastiff and Jake was a staffy x ridgeback. While Zeus could be trusted right from the word go, never even so much as growled at another dog (except for jake but I'll get to that in a second) my kids used to crawl all over him as babies I could take anything he was eating right out of his mouth and the worst thing he ever did was bring you presents in the form of his poo!! Yes his poo. He used to be so proud when he dumped it in your lap "look what I brought you mummy!" lol Jake was an entirely different scenario. He was attacked by a dog when he was 4 months old and he got torn up pretty badly. I was fortunate enough that the owner of the dog who attacked Jake was very apologetic and paid the whole vet bill. But from that day on Jake was terrible around other dogs bigger then him. He had what we called "small man syndrome" and although happy and easy with smaller dogs, anything larger then him he would try to dominate and usually lead to a fight. I learnt very quickly that Jake was to always be kept on leash and sometimes muzzled if I absolutely had to take him anywhere that there was other dogs ie the vet. Jake and Zeus had grown up together and were the same age but Jake just couldn't help himself. Needless to say while we lived in suburbia for a few years Jake became pretty much house bound because of his aggression to other dogs (sometimes including Zeus even if jake did bite of more then he could chew with Zeus as he would simply get pinned to the ground very quickly, even so Zeus never really inflicted injury on Jake even though he could have easily).

    I tried everything with Jake including social schooling and behaviour therapy with a professional trainer. But the trauma he had experienced with that one single event scared him mentally for life. I think I was as well to be honest. I'm still not comfortable taking Max out to a public place with other dogs although I do it because I have to, I'm just a lot more selective about where I take him and at what times. I tend to want to go when I know there are many other dogs and their owners around (pointless trying to socialise a pup at an empty dog park) and even though I'm wary and scope out the other dogs and owners before getting me and max out of the car. So far Ive been able to avoid any situations with aggressive dogs by doing it this way. It give me a chance to watch the other dogs at the park interacting with each other before I put Max at risk. If there is a dog there who is acting sketchy I simply don't get out either until that dog is gone or I try the second dog park in our area.
    I'm not sure if you have a car and can do it this way but it saves the risk of being attacked by a territorial dog on the way to and from ie the dog that ran out and attacked Lulu from its house to start with (this was how Jake was attacked as the dog came straight over the fence to attack Jake) it's not fail safe but then being in public never is.

    Did you report the dog attack to the council? I'm a firm believer that aggressive dogs need to be monitored. Being aggressive to other dogs doesn't need to be a life sentence for the aggressive dog, but it does require specialised care of that animal so situations like this don't arise and the owner needs to be held accountable. Do you have any idea where that dog lives? Have you seen it before or since the attack?

    Do you have any friends or family who has a dog that you can trust to interact with Lulu? Is there any puppy/dog schools in your area? I'm pretty sure you need to help her overcome this incident and quickly. Sometimes with dogs that are fearful, when they get approached by another dog they can tend to snap or lash out from fear, which in turn can cause another attack on your girl. So you need to get her interacting in a safe, controlled environment. Start slowly and go at her pace. If she shows signs of fear start at a distance until she relaxes. Never force her into a situation that scares her she will need to want to interact and this can be a slow slog but persistence and patience is the key.

    In saying this, it never helped jake. He was so badly hurt and traumatised from his attack that he was never the same with bigger dogs again despite everything I tried and despite living with Zeus (calm, placid giant that dwaft Jake)

    I'm not an expert, far from it, but I do know it will take a lot of persistence and time and you will need to be extremely selective on where you take Lulu and what dogs she does interact with until she can overcome this. Good luck

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    Hi lululala

    What horrible experiences you've had.

    Unfortunately unless you report dogs and people like this to council as soon as it happens - it will keep happening. I have my council's phone number in my phone (and a few other councils where I go) and the police non-emergency number. Tho if the attacking dog actually bites you and puts holes in you - the police will get involved - track the other dog and owner down and throw the book at them. Unfortunately your pet dog is not considered as important to the police as you are.

    If there are two of you walking the dog, one of you can protect your dog while the other gets details of the other owner. In your first case - very easy - you know where the man and his dog live - makes it really easy for the council but a report is best done as soon as possible.

    Not so easy with the other dog.

    But now your dog has a complex and essentially the curling up and screaming - is very bad for your dog's safety. Ie if your dog does this, she will look just like a rabbit or mouse to another dog ie prey to be chased and sometimes killed - depending on what kind of dog the other one is. I've seen dogs like yours at our local off lead park and dogs from all over the park (its the size of two football fields) will come to check out the screaming dog and quite a few will have a go as well - which is very frightening for everybody - and it makes the screaming dog worse - and in more danger each time it experiences this.

    So what can you do about this? Only take your dog to on lead parks and keep your dog on lead and if you see an off lead dog you know the owner is being irresponsible. If there are two of you, one can protect your dog and the other can say oh what a lovely off lead dog and see if you can get the rego details off the collar - but the main thing is to keep the off lead dog away from your dog.

    With the farm herding breed dogs - border colllies, kelpies etc - that's usually fairly easy. With the Labradors and poodle crosses - that's much harder as they like to be in every dog's face. Terriers - if nothing is happening, no squealing, they generally lose interest fast and move on. Again a human blocking the way helps a lot.

    You might need to carry a spray bottle of water with a bit of lemon juice or vinegar in it and if a dog won't back off when you say - squirt it. I don't like to do this but when it's not your dog and it's off lead where it shouldn't be - you're entitled to protect yourself and your dog. Just don't squirt a human with it. And don't argue with the owner just repeating like a broken record "I thought your dog was going to attack me"... and maybe "this is an on lead area". If one of you can sneak out a phone and video - so much the better.

    And if this happens a lot you can phone and ask your council ranger to patrol that area for off lead dogs when you usually walk there. Eg before and after school or after work.

    And don't think your panic was "I'm only a teenager" and somehow when you're older that it will be all ok - life doesn't work like that sadly... Dog fights freak out most people but especially women and girls and especially when the attacking dog is owned by a bully of a man (or woman).

    A few things that undo an aggressive dog - greeting it in a super happy voice like you've known each other for years and are best friends but haven't seen each other in a while... Approaching it being as tall and firm and confident as you can while you greet it in happy voice. But if that doesn't work - in your deepest growliest voice tell it to "GO HOME BAD DOG" like you own it and it's being very naughty. But that second one I'd use as a last resort.

    Roaring "BAD DOG GO HOME" will get you human attention very fast... probably faster than if you squeal because a lot of adults tune out squealing - if you ever go past a school playground at lunch time - there's so much of it nobody pays attention...

    Worst thing you and your dog can do is run away screaming because you just look like food to be hunted down.

    Defintely ring up your council during business hours or council ranger hours ie between 9am and 4pm around here - and have a chat about what you can do to walk your dog safely in your area.

    You might also want to check out dog training clubs in your area because that will get your Lulu lots of practice with dogs of all shapes and sizes that should all be on lead and under control.

    Just don't let any instructor put a slip chain on her. If they must put a special collar - make sure it is a limited slip martingale style one but I prefer a flat collar and treats for being in the right place rather than yanks for being in the wrong place.

    Hope that helps. If you see a lot of people walk their dog and they carry a walking stick - that might be a clue to how many badly behaved dogs there are in your area too. As long as you say the walking stick is to help you walk it's ok but you can't say it's to help you defend yourself unfortunately. Same with the spray bottle unfortunately. You just say it's to kill the bugs after your dog walks on grass...

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    Thank you so much for replying and your advices are very helpful. I have been away so I could not reply straight away!

    MadMaxMum I'm sorry to hear that Jack had to go through such terrible experience. It's clear while vets may be able to fix the physical injuries they won't be able to help with the traumatic experience.

    Hyacinth I am thinking of taking Lulu to a professional trainer. My friend recommended saxonk9 so I'll try ringing them.

    Since I do not know who the owner is, or which street this happened (it was my first time taking that route) I'm afraid I can't do anything major...
    But luckily, Lulu is ok now. She still approaches some dogs (smaller than her obviously) and sniffs them etc... But I've recently realised that she has become more aggressive towards other dogs around the same size as her. To fix this I will be taking Lulu to see my friend's dogs more often since she usually gets along with them just fine and perhaps professional training.

    Thanks again for helping me!
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 07-03-2015 at 02:44 PM.

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    sorry lululala that your above post took so long to appear.

    The system can be a little bit dumb and your post was hidden because you put @ in it - which relates to email addresses.

    I took them out.

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    hi Lulu's mum. That's a awful experience, for Lulu AND you.
    I have massive dogs. And out of the blue a stray malamute stalked up behind us and lunged at me to bite. The GSD took care of it all for me. Whilst i, and my rottweiller fell to pieces. I will never forget the sound! I remember silly thoughts that went through my head, my dogs will be put down for fighting.
    The dog was a stray. I didnt know where it lived. Reported it, but i was unable to give info that would catch the dog/owner and intervene.

    Two weeks later, the dog attacked children playing ball in a court. Was captured and PTS.

    Dog fights are very traumatic for owners. Took my nerves ages to settle once more when off leash dogs were nearby. I worried it could of turned my dog into a 'fighter', or a nervous wreck. So i went back to the location of the fight, and did some training there. And made sure i upped the socialisation, not for the dog's recovery, for mine. Im in my 50's, i dont bounce, and this really upset me for days and days.

    take care of you AND lulu is my message, dont forget your own trauma response.

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    I got sick of my dog being attacked of harassed by loose dogs. I starting carrying a ball thrower with me and on occassion I was able to use it to good effect fend off a would be attacker. I remember a kelpie circling us and getting increasingly aggressive and with my dog pressed tight against my legs I was able to keep whacking it in the face untill the owner was able to pull it away, it was in the red zone but the ball thrower kept it at bay. My dog was bigger and if she had decided to protect herself the kelpie would have come off worse. Not fun. I dont like hitting dogs but I take exception to other dogs trying to attack mine.

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    Not much you can do other than report it to the council and carry a large stick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    I got sick of my dog being attacked of harassed by loose dogs. I starting carrying a ball thrower with me and on occassion I was able to use it to good effect fend off a would be attacker. I remember a kelpie circling us and getting increasingly aggressive and with my dog pressed tight against my legs I was able to keep whacking it in the face untill the owner was able to pull it away, it was in the red zone but the ball thrower kept it at bay. My dog was bigger and if she had decided to protect herself the kelpie would have come off worse. Not fun. I dont like hitting dogs but I take exception to other dogs trying to attack mine.
    That worries me most when Maggie is on the lead. She is anxious about any dog bigger than her and if they come up when she is on leash she will react very quickly. She is fine if they would just stay away! Then the owner comes up and says that damn phrase "they just wanted to be friends!!" arghhh I too keep the ball thrower handy.

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