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    Quote Originally Posted by culprit View Post
    Pitbulls are killers and to suggest that they are not is ignoring the facts. The reason people obtain Pitbulls for killing is that is what they are best for. You don't obtain a poodle to be a pig dog.
    Any powerful dog can be a killer. The most dangerous dogs I have met have been Australian Cattle Dogs and cross breds of cattles, GSDs and rotties that are left in industrial yards as guard dogs. These dogs and their behaviours are shaped by their environment, sometimes for generations. APBT are no different. If they are kept, bred and managed as pets that is exactly what they are.

    Pig dogs can be bred from breeds as diverse as Deerhounds and Greyhounds, Dalmatians, Pointers, Great Danes, not to mention Mastiffs, Staffords and APBTs etc etc. The list is vast. Yet I can't think of anyone that would look at a German Shorthaired Pointer and automatically think of it as a killer dog. But this thought is common with a Pit??

    Dogs become killers bacause they are treated and trained and even bred to it. It is irrespective of breed or type.

    Lets not forget that all dogs are carnivores. They are hunters. Even Chihuahuas, even Poodles.

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    Sorry Nattylou but that's not correct, APBT are different ,they are not the same as any other breed. Raised properly they may be very friendly toward all humans but I would never completely trust one when it comes to other dogs. Pit Bulls, if their fighting instinct is triggered, turn into killing machines and any owner, even those on this forum, who say differently, are in complete denial.
    I am far from a supporter of BSL, but due to TOO MANY irresponsible PB owners , imo this breed deserves to be banned and lovers of the breed, including breeders, only have themselves to blame for the destruction of their own breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DogSavvy View Post
    Sorry Nattylou but that's not correct, APBT are different ,they are not the same as any other breed. Raised properly they may be very friendly toward all humans but I would never completely trust one when it comes to other dogs. Pit Bulls, if their fighting instinct is triggered, turn into killing machines and any owner, even those on this forum, who say differently, are in complete denial.
    I am far from a supporter of BSL, but due to TOO MANY irresponsible PB owners , imo this breed deserves to be banned and lovers of the breed, including breeders, only have themselves to blame for the destruction of their own breed.
    You acknowledge that irresponsible owners are to blame and yet continue to generalise and say the breed should be wiped out. This is contradictory.

    How is it that breeders only have themselves to blame? Responsible breeders will ensure new owners understand the traits of this breed and not just hand pups over to any Joe Blogs.

    Isn't this the point? Owners need to be aware of the breed's traits and for want of a better word, manage them accordingly. Just as you would do with any other breed.

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    yeah im the same my only experience of a pitbull is from the media and recently a bit o research. frankley i hate the name. as it stems from their fighting roots in the"pit" they should be named "big drooly, loveable, scary if your mean to my family,loyal snuggly dogs"

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    oh and as i said in another post its not the dog its the owner/breeder/environment...so while i dont think they should be banned i think regulation about who can own one is a good thing.

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    wow...there is some rather ridiculous stuff being said here about 'killer dogs'.
    My dog is a bull arab...she is bred to hunt and kill pigs in the bush. Both her parents and most of her siblings are working dogs...yet my dog Candy is in a suburban backyard with 4 kids aged 10 down to 3 yrs old.
    Are those who call these types of dogs 'killers' going to say the same about my dog?
    Each and every dog is an induvidual with their own personalities pending on how they are raised and treated. You cannot judge a dog just because of their breed. You wouldn't do it with humans and their race...you would then be called a racist...so why catagorise dogs like this just because of their breed and call them all "killers"

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    Your joking arnt ya savy, you certainly dont sound to dogsavy going by ya post. how can ya say ya dont support BSL, and in the next sentence you say this breed should be banned.....How can a breed deserve to be banned because of irresponsible owners??
    What about the 98% of responsible owners and there dogs.

  8. #78

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    Thats just it though guys , this 'dogsavvy' person doesn't seem too dog savvy at all .

    The APBT is no different to any other breed of dog .
    They have 4 legs.
    A tail.
    And a bitey end.

    They certainly have a very public,controversial and chequered history. But again , the APBT aint Robinson Crusoe .

    Can I also take from your posts then that you feel Amstaff,Stafford and English Bullies should also be wiped out ? Made become extinct ?

    Nearly 40 years ago , the Alsation/GSD was banned from this country. Would you be happy to see that again ?
    They have really really big bitey ends and I'm not completely sure I would like one in my home...But I would most certainly not want them wiped out.

    The good ole Aussie Blue ( sorry guys ) but oh boy....now there's a dog I will not own. Ever.Especially around children.
    But I realise that not all of the breed is big and bad and that ultimately a dog can only reach the potential set it by the person feeding it.
    But hell...can you imagine if we cried for the ACD to be banned ? Afterall it is one of the most prolific dogs amongst bite stats,way above the APBT.But Ban the dog from the tuckerbox ?!

    Or am I to understand that it is just the APBT that you think should be killed off .
    What of the other breeds currently on the BSL list , your thoughts on them ?
    And then remember,in different states,in different shires,they have their own BSL lists....in some parts of Queensland you already cannot own a Dane,a GSD,a Rotty,a Dobe......I certainly hope one of these isn't your breed.


    As to the breeders and owners being to blame?
    But you just said that the dogs were killers. So it wouldn't matter I guess if we gave one to you to show how to correctly raise a dog then .
    We face the same problem every other breeder faces when trying to place pups. We do our utmost for these dogs to goto knowledgable , responsible homes .

    As with any breed.There will always be the BYB .
    Again,our breed aint Robinson Crusoe .

    Perhaps we are singled out most because we are seen to be caring the most?
    We have voices and we use them.
    We have rights and we use them and we teach others that they have those same rights so that they can use them.

    If you cannot answer me anything else , can you please answer me why and with what experience you believe an APBT is a 'killer' ?
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    Choppa Chop in your passion as a Pit bull lover you will always push your point about themand I congratulate that. The battle you and pro Pit Bull supporters face is that the media is pushing the bandwagon here. Sensationalism all the way targeting this one breed and that is our media.

    The perception of the breed is it's dangerous. Right or wrong that is the perception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culprit View Post
    Choppa Chop in your passion as a Pit bull lover you will always push your point about themand I congratulate that. The battle you and pro Pit Bull supporters face is that the media is pushing the bandwagon here. Sensationalism all the way targeting this one breed and that is our media.

    The perception of the breed is it's dangerous. Right or wrong that is the perception.
    And I totally agree Culprit.
    You hit the proverbial nail directly on the head.

    But are not you,of sound body and mind,a dog lover,an animal lover,gee just a well rounded individual - able to see through that charade?
    You obviously can as you have stated that it is the media driven rubbish that is to blame.

    Well then , why is it that we need to be so passionate about our breed?
    It is media dribble and unexperienced opinions and guesswork that is killing our breed.
    Not us the owners.
    And when we rise to defend them - 9 times out if 10 to someone who wouldn't know what one looked like if it did bite them- we are called over the top yahoo's and worse.
    We are uccused of being bogan trash who talk rubbish etc etc...

    Yet when we try to talk as we normaly would, to normal,open minded,dog savvy people , people who are willing to listen and see beyond the tip ofthier own nose,those that can see beyond their own breed , well....then we are just not heard at all and constantly told we're fools for owning killing machines.

    Of course I'm passionate about my dogs,my breed.
    But then I'm passionate about the welfare of all dogs,of all animals.
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