Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 11

Thread: What is she trying to tell me?

  1. #1

    Default What is she trying to tell me?

    Hi everyone
    Our beautiful Border Collie Lilli is doing something and I am not quite sure what is means. Every time I ask her to sit next to me for pats or cuddles she will alternately raise each paw like a hand shake. The whole time she is sitting she is doing this. It is very cute and i am assuming she is telling me she loves me but I have also read that raising a paw can also mean dominance.

    Just wondering if you have any thoughts. As I said it is very cute but thought I would ask the question.

    Thanks

  2. #2

    Default

    It could mean a lot of different things. I am not keen on the idea of dominance.

    It depends how you first taught her the sit command. You say that you think it is very cute – so I suspect that when she first offered one or both paws she got a very favourable response from you. So, of course she will continue to do this.

    Here is a link about body language and dogs:

    The Canine Language | The Balanced Canine

    Will she a do sit without raising a paw ? If not – then back to basics to reteach a proper sit with front feet on the ground.

    Why not teach her to shake hands, high five and touch something with her paw ? She is already starting to offer this to you – it would be a shame not to formalise it with a command.
    You have a very smart little pup there and getting her to use her brain will be rewarding for you both.

    I love Kikopup and all her videos. I am sure you will find heaps of things that you can teach your pup from the following link:

    https://www.youtube.com/user/kikopup/videos

    Have fun !

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Southern NSW
    Posts
    3,784

    Default

    Raising a paw is definitly not dominance, quite the opposite.......

    You will see younger dogs to it to older dogs or each other.it is not like a play-bow, but it is a pacifier

    I als turn these into shakes and high fives or even a beg in some dogs.........And i also love kikopup, she is amazing

    People get too wrapped up into dogs showing dominant signs........
    Pets are forever

  4. #4

    Default

    'newfsie' - I really love seeing you post back on here - I did miss you a lot ! Please keep it up because your cool, calm and sensible posts are a breath of fresh air !

    Sorry to say - but the Dominance theory of dogs has been de-bunked.

    https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sour...+dogs+debunked
    As far as dominance of humans over dogs - well - that still needs a lot work to be done on it !

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 2011
    Location
    Darwin Northern Territory
    Posts
    145

    Default

    I agree with RileyJ and newfsie, could be she's learnt you think it's cute so its worth doing (cues like laughing, engaging more, BCs learn so much more on their own than we ever teach them), could be a pacifier and definitely presents a great opportunity for more training. My two border collies do it to each other as part of their play routine, the female occasionally does it to me to get attention, but I don't encourage that (muddy paws on white trousers not appreciated).

    "Shake hands" is also the first trick I taught them and now whenever I grab the treat jar I immediately get 2 BCs sitting eagerly at my feet presenting frantic high fives, progressing to every other trick in the book (spin left, spin right, play dead etc.) as they try and predict what I'm going to ask them to do. Even without the treat jar the female will launch into her full repertoire of tricks when she's excited by my attention.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Bundaberg QLD
    Posts
    3,301

    Default

    My bullmastiff does this too. Handshakes meant treats ...so now every time he parks his bum on the ground he offers a handshake. Not so great when your not ready for it and he's due for a nail clip LOL.

    I used to always wonder if my dog was trying to dominate me but now I just see it as he's just interacting with me. No threat just fun. The day he stops doing this stuff is the day i'll worry about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by reyzor View Post
    Education is important, but big biceps are more importanter ...
    DONT SIC YOUR DOGMA ON ME !

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    Adelaide
    Posts
    12,581

    Default

    I have also read that raising a paw can also mean dominance.
    Really? My dog raises a paw because she wants me to scratch her tummy. She also knows "shake hands" but she will actually poke me with her paw to get attention and belly rubs. She does it cos it works... ie she pokes me, I give her attention and belly rubs. I don't have to but I enjoy it. It's so insanely CUTE.

    But I know it means belly rubs because if I just hold my hand there, she will hook her paw around my wrist and put my hand where she wants me to rub. Ie pull my hand onto her tummy. Glad she's a girl dog - is all I can say.

    I'm not all that fussed about "dominance". If you routinely cave in to your dog's demands - you will be "dominated" ie the dog will make all the decisions in your life, she will be on your bed and you will be on the floor. So the decisions will not necessarily be in her own best interests (I try to explain to my dog that I do have to go out sometimes to buy her treats and food). A bit like a teenager in a fast food shop. The main thing is to set limits where you want them and do your best to stick with them. Eg go outside to pee.

  8. #8

    Default

    Hi all
    Thanks for all your feedback. Lilli has been taught handshakes and high 5s. Perhaps it is her way of trying to interact more with me. She is very demanding so I think she is upping the anti so to speak. These dogs are super intelligent and they know how to get their way.

    Thanks again. I will forget about the dominance thought then.

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Southern NSW
    Posts
    3,784

    Default

    I agree and I hope we are getting through (about the debunking)..............Thank you..............the one think I hate in my dog training life is "my dogs is dominant" ........usually tranlates to my dogs is terrified and thus does the only thing he thinks might safe him/her............ The other one is people running at you with a dog saying, he is friendly aghhhhhh...

    My Harry, our last rescue is supposedly according to another dog trainer a dominant dog.....he is a fearfull, shit scared, still trying to get along dog. Now finally just over one year, we are getting through him that he is OK and so is everything else in his world....he is the happiest dog most of the time now, as long as we protect him from idiots and those over friendly dogs
    Pets are forever

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Western Sydney
    Posts
    809

    Default

    If you taught her to shake hands...it sounds like thats what shes doing or maybe shes just being affectionate...who knows.

    Forget the dominance thing...I'm surprised how many people still think their dog is trying to dominate them...makes me laugh. I have never believed in this ridiculous 1950s mentality but unfortunately some vets and these so called "experts" that pop up from time to time still scare people.

    Having owned a Dobermann...Rottweiler and three GSDs that some morons call "dominate breeds" I know with out a doubt this is a load of crap as these breeds are great family pets and only want to love and be with you.

    I read an article some time ago about a guy in the 1940s who chucks two wolves together and the wolves were from different groups and didn't like each other so they started fighting...so this clown thinks...one wolf is trying to "dominate" the other and must be the "alpha"...isn't alpha the first letter of the Greek alphabet.

    Years ago at all breeds training the "instructor" said "if you let your dog on the lounge or bed...one day that dog will attack you" yeah right. This same "instructor" screamed and jumped back when my 12 mth old GSD puppy Tara jumped up on her...I said why did you do that ? reply was I thought she was going to bite me. I'll never forget the TV vet who said "if you play tug o war with your dog make sure you win" more 1950s mentality for you...I'd like to see the old TV vet beat Chloe.
    Chloe & Zorro
    Rottweilers and German Shepherds are Family

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •