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    Is there a legit place for them in contemporary society. Should they be bred out of existence like they kind of are. Should legit breeders be forced out of business?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muttboy View Post
    Is there a legit place for them in contemporary society. Should they be bred out of existence like they kind of are. Should legit breeders be forced out of business?

    Thoughts?
    Really not sure where you are coming from here !

    What breeds of dogs are you talking about ? Are you negating the fact of any training or understanding of the breed of dog by the breeder or future owner ?

    Any breed of dog can become 'human aggressive' in the 'right hands of their ownership' !

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    I think breed is a distraction here. I mean any dog selectively bred to engage a human in combat. And no not any dog can do it, it is 99.999999999999999999% genetic. It takes generations of testing and selection, breed is misleading. I do see lots of ads for good family protectors and such so they are being marketed by byb & registered breeders, mainly false advertising I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muttboy View Post
    I think breed is a distraction here. I mean any dog selectively bred to engage a human in combat. And no not any dog can do it, it is 99.999999999999999999% genetic. It takes generations of testing and selection, breed is misleading. I do see lots of ads for good family protectors and such so they are being marketed by byb & registered breeders, mainly false advertising I suspect.
    You started this thread 'Sunshine' !

    To say that - 'I think breed is a distraction here' - shows me you really don't have a clue about what you are sprouting about in your thread !

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    There are dogs that suffer from fear aggression and will bite from fear.

    Some dogs will attack if their human is threatened without being specifically bred for this. I have owned one such dog, who was a sociable dog and not aggressive towards humans in a normal setting. I was threatened once while in an isolated area and this particular dog sprang straight in and stood between me and the man. I have never seen such a focussed look in her eyes and she had her teeth fully exposed and her nose drawn back and was gowling loudly. She knew exactly what was going on and was not backing down and was moving towards the man. I told the man if he came any closer she would attack so he quickly dissapeared back into the bushes. My dog immediately backed down. A woman was walking on our local beach which was always pretty empty in winter and a man came out of the dunes up to no good and her rottie chased him off.

    I wouldnt call these dogs human aggressive but they certainly have protective instincts when threatened. There are also dogs I would certainly be wary of when entering their property unannounced.
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    Reading this I am reminded an incident many years ago. I had my lab x (VERY people friendly) in the back. I stopped at an intersection for a red light (daytime). The passenger door was wrenched open and a strange man got in. Instantly the dog leaned forward between the seats with teeth bared and growled very quietly and menacingly in his right ear. The man leapt out. It happened so fast I didnt even get time to be scared. Looking back I was the fortunate unscathed survivor of an attempted carjack I guess. That dog was the gentlest one I have ever owned.

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    I think breed is a distraction here. I mean any dog selectively bred to engage a human in combat. And no not any dog can do it, it is 99.999999999999999999% genetic. It takes generations of testing and selection, breed is misleading.
    Breed is not a distraction. For some breeds it is horribly out of standard to be confrontational for other breeds it is part of why they are in existence.

    Why should legitimate breeders be put out of business? Where do you think the police, army and prisons are going to source the dogs they need from? A good proportion still come from private breeders and that goes for many countries around the world.
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    Breed is definitely a factor. So many uninformed people out there think that Staffordshire Bull Terriers are fierce guard dogs but i can tell you that my two would happily help any intruder to the silverware. I rely on his bark to scare people away. If I had wanted a guarding breed then that comes along with an additional host of specific considerations.

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    Muttboy

    Just wish you'd give some context for this.

    Are you talking dogs that would attack any human, same as a hungry hyena pack might?

    I don't think we need those. Well - hyenas have their place and habitat and Australian cities are not it.

    But ones that are bonded with a family (of humans and other critters) and would attack unwelcome intruders - I've got one. Didn't train it. I think that's one of the traits that dogs have been selected for over years and years - guard dog, hunter helper, flock minder etc which would include attacking humans (and other critters) that didn't belong if they tried to interfere with the flock or or family or stuff the dog was guarding.

    I don't think IPO protection work is breed specific. Most dogs will attack a human given the right circumstances (and sometimes training).

    Some breeds are more popular choices for it but I don't think those are the only breeds that can do it.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 03-27-2015 at 03:14 PM.

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    I choose not to make this a breed thing, others will do as they wish. I also reject the anecdotes of the protection stories, they are more likely wishful thinking. I am also not talking about abused dogs that protect themselves by lashing out in fear. I am talking about dogs with the genetic potential to engage and aggressor (human) on command and withstand high pressure until commanded to release. Most of these dogs are not naturally that protective and are reasonably social.they are high drive dogs with little or no bite inhibition to humans.

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