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    Can't remember the wording re the sand dune attacker, but a guy looking weird and a guy that actually attacks someone and dog looking focussed and a dog that actually engages an attacker are not the same things, geez. Filling in a few too many blanks with what happened and what you think MIGHT have happened.


    If that's the case my neighbours pet Chihuahua has thwarted hundreds of terrorists attacks cos some guys with turbans looked funny, how ridiculous.


    Please no, insinuating a pilot that became mentally ill and just flew a plane into a mountain somehow fits in this thread is just plain wrong on so many levels and in poor taste. Cant think of why else you would just happen to mention a pilot right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muttboy View Post
    Can't remember the wording re the sand dune attacker, but a guy looking weird and a guy that actually attacks someone and dog looking focussed and a dog that actually engages an attacker are not the same things, geez. Filling in a few too many blanks with what happened and what you think MIGHT have happened.


    If that's the case my neighbours pet Chihuahua has thwarted hundreds of terrorists attacks cos some guys with turbans looked funny, how ridiculous.


    Please no, insinuating a pilot that became mentally ill and just flew a plane into a mountain somehow fits in this thread is just plain wrong on so many levels and in poor taste. Cant think of why else you would just happen to mention a pilot right now.

    Actually the woman was a friend so not filling in the blanks and you mentioned police reports as being a yardstick so just saying the events as recounted by the woman were in the police reports.

    You bought up the selection process with selecting people in high pressure jobs. The situation recently is very sad. Things can and do go wrong and sometimes it is people that know a person best and can give "anecdotal information" that could add value.

    Anyway I think it should not be an off the table discussion as it affects all of us. My point is that sometimes purely relying on a professional judgement or selectionprocess is not always the best way to go on its own, and I think the rules are changing that allows people to report "anecdotal" things that may worry them. A friend of mine who might still be alive today if anecdotal obeservations had been given more creedence so it is of a very personal nature to me.

    Many scientific findings have been based on so called anecdotal evidence that turned out to be acute observations that led to being tested and forming the basis of new discoveries.

    In this thread you are trying to descredit peoples observation and experience, quite rudely.

    I dont understand your line of logic with the chihuahua
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    Didn't mean to sound rude, I think it is how I come across to some people. Anecdotes can be s starting point but rigorous testing by competent people is the best safeguard we have, nothing is foolproof. The German shepherd gurus don't test any more above what a average pound dog could pass, result is they can lie and talk all the garbage they want to gullible customers, no test = no proof = free to just make stuff up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muttboy View Post
    Didn't mean to sound rude, I think it is how I come across to some people. Anecdotes can be s starting point but rigorous testing by competent people is the best safeguard we have, nothing is foolproof. The German shepherd gurus don't test any more above what a average pound dog could pass, result is they can lie and talk all the garbage they want to gullible customers, no test = no proof = free to just make stuff up.
    I might be reading this all wrong but it sounds to me that you have an issue with possibly showline German Shepherd breeders?

    I think there are most likely some very reputable working line breeders of the prefferred protection breeds who supply police, military etc. and I dont have aproblem with this. Hopefully they screen the people they are selling these types of dogs to.

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    I find you keep referring to things that have not been mentioned in this thread previously so most of your posts are very confusing. I find it hard to figure out whose post you're answering too sometimes. Helps if you stick their name at the top like you're addressing a letter to them (tho you can skip the "dear" part)

    I suppose none of us know if our dog would actually latch on to a threatening someone until it happens. And we don't know if our dog would rip the person apart or just nip or hold... or what the dog would do if the person they latched on tried to hit them.

    I am pretty familiar with what cattle dogs do. I've seen them many times - grab some running person by the ankle. Usually they let go if the person stops. And if the person takes a swing they will avoid the swing (probably let go but immediately latch on again). I see them do this. So I am really reluctant to give my dog the opportunity. She has tried to "herd" the lawnmower man more than once in a way he found quite painful. He did wind her up tho. And she's done it to my brother too. More like an attention grabbing thing than rip the man to pieces but it hurt.

    And she's chomped me a few times - never play tug in the dark. And never get lost on the agility course cos she's going to try to get you going again - with her teeth.

    I've tried to hit her with a roll of newspaper (I was so ignorant then). She would catch the newspaper, run off with it and shred it and then ask to play the game again. So pretty sure she'd be ok with pressure but it might not go the way they like in IPO competition ie she would grab the stick - chew it up and then grab the man again...

    she has been surprised more than once by the big orange poly pipe when trying herding. Ie the pipe gets placed between dog and sheep to encourage a safe working distance... and she failed to notice the arrival of the pipe and ran into it. She didn't try to bite the stick or the sheep tho she did get some wool at one point. So she must have had a go (how to scare me). That's why they use shaggy sheep with beginner sheep dogs.

    I think IPO is a good sport and I think some form of it should be ok. I know it's banned in some states because they think it's training dogs to attack people but I would disagree and I'd much rather that a dog was properly trained and able to be called off than one that is just a big strong jawed back yard garden ornament popular with people who live in rough neighbourhoods.

    Now there's a dog that's top of the serious bite statistics. The big undesexed neglected dog confined to the back yard.

    And I'm not sure how innocent children are either. I heard an "anecdote" of how one Rottie attacked the family child and was PTS. But the owner was so upset that her dog would do that she asked for an autopsy and they found a pencil rammed in its ear. That child was not innocent.

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