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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange fruit View Post
    It shouldn't be "expected" of giant breeds.

    Its a crime what is happening to "our" breeds but is happening more and more often that people will no longer have this or that breed due to health 1st and temperament or other reasons 2nd.
    Ideally, no it shouldn't be expected... but in reality.... it is... you get a giant dog... you don't expect it to live to 10-12 years old.

    There are many, many breeds of dogs that I firmly believe have not "improved" in the last 100 years... but instead gradually become increasingly more unhealthy. It is a sad fact, but not something that I see changing any time soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    That would be too heartbreaking for me to think that there was a good chance of losing a dog at 5yo.
    Yep ...cuts me to the bone. I did so much research on them so knew the risk. 8 to 10 was what i was told to expect. But what really cuts me up is following a FB page called 'I love my Bullmastiff" and it seems like theres another RIP post everytime i look at it. .....and very very few of them are from old age. 4,5,6 seems to be the numbers i hear the most. Sometimes i just look at Mojo and wonder if we have already passed the halfway mark together. He's still my new pup as far as i'm concerned so the thought just kills me.

    So i guess bad breeding can be blamed for a lot of health issues in breeds like Dogman's GSD but what the go with a disease like cancer ? Is bad breeding somehow contributing to this rise in cases ?

    "Touchwood" i've been pretty lucky with this disease when it comes to human or animal family members so i dont really know much about it.


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    Nothing to do with bad breeding...it's the breed itself. Tara my beautiful GSD was a very well bred girl and came from a well know breeder who had many champions and imports...yet it didn't stop her from dying of cancer (Hemangiosarcoma) which is a very common cancer in GSDs at the age of 8 yrs. This cancer can affect GSDs as young as 5 yrs of age and is always fatal...it does occur in other breeds but the GSD is the most common.

    Tara had stomach problems all her life...she would go out every other day and eat grass make herself sick and bring up what the vet said was excess bile...she had a number of so called viruses through her life...but with meds she recovered...till one day what I thought was another virus turned out to be cancer and I had no choice but to put my beautiful girl to sleep. At the time of Tara's death (over three years now) the vet said in the last 9 mths... 6 GSDs had all died of the same cancer.

    Rex has skin problems and is on meds which keeps it under control most of the time...yes I've had tests over the years which came to nothing as we know now...it's the breed. My boy is nearly 12 yrs old and I suppose it's better to have him with skin problems than to have him die from cancer at a young age. We are told GSDs live 12 to 14 yrs but I don't think many reach 10 yrs. I don't think he'll be with us too much longer and I will miss him...but never again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sean View Post
    Yep ...cuts me to the bone. I did so much research on them so knew the risk. 8 to 10 was what i was told to expect. But what really cuts me up is following a FB page called 'I love my Bullmastiff" and it seems like theres another RIP post everytime i look at it. .....and very very few of them are from old age. 4,5,6 seems to be the numbers i hear the most. Sometimes i just look at Mojo and wonder if we have already passed the halfway mark together. He's still my new pup as far as i'm concerned so the thought just kills me.

    So i guess bad breeding can be blamed for a lot of health issues in breeds like Dogman's GSD but what the go with a disease like cancer ? Is bad breeding somehow contributing to this rise in cases ?

    "Touchwood" i've been pretty lucky with this disease when it comes to human or animal family members so i dont really know much about it.

    Cancer has been on the rise probably because dogs are in general living longer and or it is being discovered more as dogs are taken to the vets. Apparently 50% of old dogs will have cancer. Also increasing chemicals in the environment, virus's and the dogs genetic ability to deal with all this, some breeds just seem to genetically more susceptible. Must be some genes in there that could probably be identified for and bred against but that would take some more research and skill I would think.

    A few weeks ago my 14 yo dog was breathing a bit more heavy than usual and had choked a few times on her food. I changed her diet to a commercial raw diet and no more problems with choking, so I thought it was just that she has very worn teeth and tends to bolt her dry food down. Her appetite was very good and she was still wanting to come on out walks

    However I thought I would take her to the vet for a checkup. Vet thought she might have old dog lungs and gave me a bronchiodilator. Said her heart sounded fine. Anyway within 2 days she suddenly deteriorated. One minute wolfing down her food and causing mischief and next she can hardly breathe. Into vets for x-ray and they discover shadows on her lungs and had to drain fluid from her chest cavity. Next day I euthanaised her because I couldnt bare to see her struggling and whatever the reason a pleural effusion in an old dog has a poor prognosis. Test came back as cancer. Man the biggest shock of my life I can tell you. She was the best dog ever and I know she was 14 but it shocked me none the less at the speed at which it all happened. My first brush with cancer in my dogs. I hate you cancer.

    Dogs are gifts in our life and to lose them is something we all have to go through, but to lose them over and over again at a really young age would kill me.
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    It's why I went to Malinois. My last GSD had to be put to sleep on his second birthday as his hip literally fell out of the socket and he was in an incredible amount of pain. My soon to be 11 year old Malinois is still running around like a 2 year old and the only major problem we have had is acidosis from her running herself too hard but we got over that hump. Apart from that, fit as a fiddle. It's why I have 4 now and I cant go back to shepherds, and rotties too. He only lived until 4 years old and that was a struggle to get there.
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    Very Sad....My Dad bred and trained GSD's for the Police and RAAF in the 60's, '70s and 80' and we had beautiful fit dogs, Our own personal dogs lived a sound life until they were 14-16 years of age. they ran along on our horse rides and my Dad did Shutzhund with them and they jumped incredibly high fences when we lived in the USA and Europe. Ours were more wolf coloured and not low like we see today. I love the breed, but I would not have one at present
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    If the breeds themselves are going backwards.... That IS bad breeding.

    If individual breeders doing the very best they possibly can still can't make a dent in the problems overall, its still bad breeding. Not by the individuals, but by the organization tasked with their development and "improvement".
    I think its about time they look for the reasons WHY this is happening, and address it. If the K.cs are going to push the idea the registry is the only responsible source of dogs for owners and breeders, we need to demand it.

    Any less is NOT being responsible.

    I have giant dogs. 1st lived to 14. second now 7 yrs and still as active and fit as he was at 5. 3rd only a year old. I have the expectation they will live an average lifspan at least, barring plain bad luck.
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    It is bad breeding. Yes cancer can definitely be genetic. Our shepherds live at least 10-12 years with several making it to 14. Bad health is because of the show ring. The slant in back legs is because "breeders" of "champion" dogs are breeding for aesthetics and not health and function. Anything that hits one breed and not another is a genetic problem - all dogs are the same species, just different branches. If you're after a healthy pup, I can point you in the right direction. Unfortunately to breed a good dog, you really can't start with the dogs seen more commonly in Australia and US. Those dogs have been ruined by ignorant so called "breeders" who want the look of a shepherd, have it's ancestry on a piece of paper and have been told that he has champion whatever in his lines. Many people, without any knowledge of genetics, breed Germans and in order to breed for health (which can and is being successfully done) you must be familiar with this aspect. I can't stress how much show breeders are ruining our dog breeds.. No offence to the show breeders here, but as soon as you put a focus on looks, you compromise what's important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaka84lonigro View Post
    It is bad breeding. Yes cancer can definitely be genetic. Our shepherds live at least 10-12 years with several making it to 14. Bad health is because of the show ring. The slant in back legs is because "breeders" of "champion" dogs are breeding for aesthetics and not health and function. Anything that hits one breed and not another is a genetic problem - all dogs are the same species, just different branches. If you're after a healthy pup, I can point you in the right direction. Unfortunately to breed a good dog, you really can't start with the dogs seen more commonly in Australia and US. Those dogs have been ruined by ignorant so called "breeders" who want the look of a shepherd, have it's ancestry on a piece of paper and have been told that he has champion whatever in his lines. Many people, without any knowledge of genetics, breed Germans and in order to breed for health (which can and is being successfully done) you must be familiar with this aspect. I can't stress how much show breeders are ruining our dog breeds.. No offence to the show breeders here, but as soon as you put a focus on looks, you compromise what's important.
    Are you serious....seems you don't know anything about Hemangiosarcoma. Here are a few links...you might learn something.

    The National Canine Cancer Foundation - Canine Hemangiosarcoma - The Road from Despair to Hope

    Hemangiosarcoma - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hemangiosarcoma

    So Health problems as you claim are the result of the show ring...then how do you explain my GSD Chloe an ex rescue most likely from a backyard breeder...no show ring here and has a health problem. No one knows why some health problems occur in some breeds and not in others...but three GSDs with health problems including Hemangiosarcoma is enough for me and no I don't want to buy a dog from you either.
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    Nothing changes to what I've written. Did you read it? It's not caused by "the show ring".. It's caused by the wrong breeding goals. Many stray and pet Germans are descendants of these dogs.. As I mentioned, to get good Germans, you have to import. Like I said, if you want a good German shepherd, I can point you in the right direction. Yes I am serious.

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