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    I too am sorry to hear that this happened to you and your dogs,and very sorry to hear about your loss.

    I haven't read everything other members have said, but I did quickly skim over and agree with one thing in particular...you must get the dog properly assessed by a qualified behavioral trainer and you must see a vet to have any necessary health checks carried out, prior to making any decisions. I understand the pain and shock you must be in, but agree that these things rarely do not happen out of the blue or without reason. Incidents like this often can have contributing factors such as medical or on going behavioral problems that have not been diagnosed or picked up on. If your dogs are similar in age, breed and the same sex, then this most certainly would have played a role in what happened given that they would be reaching maturity around 3 years and I do believe, if Bailey was the perpetrator she would have some sort of injuries or blood on her too. I understand your pain, but please do not send her away without looking into why this happened first.

    In regards to your vets opinion that "this kind of damage from dogs who are trained to kill", I tend to disagree. Any dog has the ability to severely injure another dog, however it does show that the dog who attacked your Tae had a lack of bite inhibition and needs professional help from a behavioral trainer who deals with aggression. I also would be checking signs that your dog, has not in fact been a victim of a dog attack by another dog off the property. It could be a possibility that your dog escaped and came home or that someone let your dog out and returned him, after being attacked by another dog?

    If you do wish to rehome her, I would be calling an experienced breed specific rescue who will assess her prior to rehoming and be particularly careful in selecting a new house for her, if she can in fact be rehabilitated.

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    Well given this member is new.
    depending where they got baily from and at what age, if they had been a trained as an attack dog before they got them, it could be a simple as leaving a Tv or radio on.
    If the dog was partially trained, and not untrained like most police dogs go through before retirement, then it would come down to them not knowing or not being informed of the dogs training, and the wrong word said on the Tv or radio, and another dog running around playing and the training would kick in.

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    and the wrong word said on the Tv or radio
    This would have to mean - kind of "rosebud" style that the dog would have to be trained to respond to attack another dog when anyone said the word.

    My dog - only does what I say - anyone else can give her any number of commands and the only time she responds is if they call their dog (any name will do - it's the tone) and they've got treats. And then she acts like a bush ranger = "give me all your treats - right now - or I will pester you, jump on you, and harass you until you cave in" (or mum comes and takes me away).

    I try to get these people to make her work for treats but they're usually fooled completely by the bush ranger act.

    I don't think a police dog would respond to commands issued by anyone but their handler. Same with most protection dogs. Otherwise they wouldn't be much use as all that would need doing is the burglar say the word to escape.

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    Sorry but no protection dog even backyard trained will hear a keyword and kill another dog. I have trained protection dogs for many years there is no correlation between protection training and a scenario like this. And by the way an 'attack dog' does not do this type of attack at all - an untrained dog under immense stress and loading does. Dogs are still a primitive animal despite the fact we keep them a companion animals. The all over bites suggest the victim panicked severely for some reason and the attacker panicked as well causing this level of reaction. If there is a size difference the smaller of course is already in trouble. Others are right its not the receiver that is usually the 100% victim a lot of the time. Something has happened yes. Any reason why can only ever be pure speculation. Would i leave this dog alone with another dog ever again? No. That is not because i would consider it 'dangerous' but because it has learned to deal with stress like this. Its a dog it knows only what thousands of years of instinct tells it to do when the boss isnt home. If you need a hand or just a chat feel free to ring me. Inlinek9dogtraining.com 0401 389 863

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    What Nekhbet said. Hope you take up her offer.

    There is more to this than Baily killed her pack mate. "Some thing" happened and Baily had only her insticts to fall back on, with one to intervene.
    She is still the Baily shes always been.

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    Newfie and Nehkbet say it all.
    I feel for your loss, and trauma. My sister in law had a boxer, a gentle giant, goofy, friendly, loved the new puppy, and one day, when pup was six months old, she came back from the school run to find gorgeous bella boxer, had ripped attacked and ripped apart the pup!
    no warning, no body language between them indicating trouble brewing, just as you've described. We never knew what happened. My sis in law, had the boxer PTS.
    Im unsure if that was the perfect reaction to this scenario, but a mother, with 2 kids under 10, yep, id of done the same.

    I have always had multiple dogs. I do not separate my dogs when i am not around. And to believe that multi dog owners should do this is an unusual way to think and behave without reason, in my mind. Most multi dog owners i know, dont either. Its only when the attack has occurred, do we separate.

    Now to the attack. This sounds like a unusual one. One that did not stop as fights should. For some reason. We can speculate what reason; too small space, trapped, cornered, illness, unequal size, but these will only ever be reasons to start a fight. What has not occurred, is the fight stopping when it should of.

    I lost a dog once to epilepsy, just prior to his seizures, he would completely change his personality and become very aggressive toward the family and attempt to bight, then fall to ground in his seizure. So there's another example of a guess suggestion.

    take some time to let the heat go out of this situ before you make a decision.
    I would PTS. Harsh, but so is a savaged child. And i have toddlers i value higher than any dog.

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    As a multi dog owner I certainly separate my dogs based on what I know. I have two males that I definitely would not leave together when I am not home as there is a good chance that there will be a scrap in a confined area and this would result in the bitches getting involved as well. I seperate them into two groups and leave each male with one or two bitches.

    I also do not leave young puppies unattended with the older dogs no matter how good they seem to be with them. I wait till the puppy is grown some and I can observe the relationships. I also observe any changes towards a top dog that is aging and becoming frail. It really isnt hard and so far been trouble free. I am pretty in touch with my dogs relationships with each other and I try and make sure everyone is as safe as I can make them. My dogs are all evenly matched so there is no reall big size difference between them. I also make sure they have been well exercised.

    I am particular because when I am out I have to leave mine in a reletively confined secure area given I am surrounded by livestock. This always increases the likelihood of problems.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 11-16-2014 at 12:14 PM.

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    Anyone heard anything from this person again?
    according to there profile they logged out at like 6am on the 12th and haven't been back?

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    My guess is they wont post or visit again. Needed somewhere to express their feelings. If they went ahead and removed the other dog as it seems likely they did, just going to a dog forum would be stressful.
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    I agree with Fairview...

    I'd be very surprised if they come back unless something else happens super stressful and they need to vent again and it might not be here they end up.

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