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    Pretty much what Hyacinth said. And if you want to see really scary have a look at the new Migration Bill. For many it seems to be a minority issue as it doesn't affect the majority of Australian citizens - only new arrivals. So as long as it's only them and not us... right? In my view it's a perfect example of how our government is trying to concentrate power in the hands of a few, treating the core principle of democracy (separation of powers) with disdain.

    It's a dangerous and slippery slope and I'm often amazed how easily Australians are giving away their rights. I sometimes wonder whether it's because Australia is such a young country with no first hand experience with how quickly freedom can be taken away. E.g. there is a lot of talk about the TTP overseas, yet I hardly hear anything about it here. Australia is going to be just as affected as all the other countries, so why aren't here the streets full of people protesting against it? While it's negotiated behind carefully closed doors and even journalists are banned from accessing documents or attend the negotiations, it'll affect day to day life of all of us. And from the leaked documents so far, it's not exactly good news. Not for us anyway - major corporations are going to be just fine.

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    1) Illegal immigration = People with or without authorisation enter a country by whatever means (plane, boat, swim) and blend quietly into the community without reporting to authorities. In Australia 'illegal immigrants' are usually Brits overstaying their visa.
    2) Seeking asylum = People enter a country by whatever means (plane, boat, swim), report immediately to the authorities and apply for a visa (protection).

    # 1 is an illegal act. # 2 is perfectly legal by both international as well as Australian law. It's been put in place by the international community (of which Australia is a part) to safeguard that people fleeing danger can access a safe haven first - and sort out paperwork later. Makes perfect sense in my world.

    And no. It's unlikely the new Migration Bill is only going to impact on people whose skin has a darker shade - although they most certainly will experience the full brunt of it.

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    Here is the bill
    Migration Amendment (Protection and Other Measures) Bill 2014 – Parliament of Australia

    And here is a list of submissions to the Senate on what problems this bill brings in case you're really interested.
    http://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_...14/Submissions


    My main problems with this bill are:
    - It'll give the Minister power to change legislation retrospectively. i.e. if someone applies for a visa (and coughs up a shitload of money to do so) the minister has always the power to change the law so that the application becomes invalid or can be refused on grounds that didn't even exist when the application was lodged. It's Kafka at its best.
    - It gives the minister the power to 'fast track' applications or exclude applicants from accessing merit reviews. Who will be affected is solely the ministers decision and he does not have to give any reason other than 'it's national interest'. This puts the minister effectively above the law.
    - It'll restrict the Tribunals independence. The prime purpose of any tribunal is to safeguard that decision makers in the Departments are making decisions according to the law – not according to policies which are influenced by political agendas.
    - Equally it'll also restrict access to judicial review of decisions, which basically makes sure that the Highcourt can no longer interfere with Morrison's agenda

    Most of these amendments fly into the face of core democratic principles... that the executive can never be above the law. As I said to me it's an example on how the government is attempting to concentrate power. And I find it an extremely worrying development.

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    No it's not. That's what we have the migration act for. This amendment goes far beyond that. But whatever your view is on migration doesn't actually matter to the issue. That's exactly what I meant by post # 29. There seems to be only very little awareness for democratic principles, how they're linked and how important they are. It's just: "Does it affect me personally? No. Then who gives a shit"... freedom can be taken away very easily if the separation of powers isn't given anymore.

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