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    didn't the Iraq govt request our help
    Not exactly. Or which Iraq Government.

    But really we'd need support from Turkey, Iran, Syria and Iraq and thelocal people to fix that particular problem.

    We don't speak their language and we don't understand their culture(s) so we just offend with every step we take.

    It would be much better if they had support from the area where they do understand and that the fighting wasn't being supported by the local governments with opposing ideology - a bit like Ireland and England back in the bad old days. It would not have been appropriate for the Chinese to go in and "help" there.
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    Yes the Iraq government did request our support. There was quite a bit of waiting before all the official documents were completed. I think Kurdish people have also asked for help in the past. It is very complex region with all the dfferent factions, but there are a lot of local people being killed and driven from their homes. Without knowing the full details and being involved in all the negotiations it is difficult to really understand the situation.

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    The only request we shoud be waiting for is from the USA, the UK, NZ or any other allie. 1 in all in.

    Sitting on our hands and waiting for 'them' to come to 'us' will only lead to more 911's and innocent people will be killed. Going in half hearted will only lead to another Vietnam or Iraq part 3, 4, 5, etc etc.

    Some of the greens really do come across as traitors to me.
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    Sitting on our hands and waiting for 'them' to come to 'us' will only lead to more 911's and innocent people will be killed. Going in half hearted will only lead to another Vietnam or Iraq part 3, 4, 5, etc etc.
    On this basis the UN should have formed a multi national attack force and deposed the government of Syria and set up something fairer and less blood thirsty. Especially after the Syrian Govt gassed a whole town.

    But for some reason the Chinese and Russian Governments decided it was a bad idea and veto'd it, because they can.

    I think Australian soldiers should fight for Australian Freedom - and I really don't see how bombing the Middle East does this for us. I think this kind of action actually creates more terrorists.

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    I honestly think it makes the terrorists (the ones already created by a certain little book full of lies) realise we are not the easy targets they are brainwashed into thinking we are. Cut off one head .....you wear a ton of explosives on yours. Our actions are defensive but because its so overwhelming people think we are the trouble makers. No so in my eyes.

    We just fight fire with fire but our fire burns a lot hotter.

    I like to look at war for what it really is. The big picture. We have been threatened from a sneaky but weak enemy. We must and do defend ourselves to the best of our ability. Thats what it boils down too. I'm thankfull i'm on the side with the biggest guns.

    The UN ....they dont really do much do they. I honestly dont know why they even exist. Must keep some people in a job i guess.

    I have a few army mates.....some have toured overseas including Iraq. Not one of them have regretted going and all of them are frustrated we arent doing more to finish this up once and for all. I have to agree with them.


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    Here is a USA veteran's take on the problem

    All the soldiers (who volunteered) that I've talked to - and I've hung out with friends on ANZAC day - is that they do what they're told, and don't argue - if they can't accept what they're told - and want to argue - they can't really be in the defence forces. It's up to the rest of us to say and protest when we think our defence force is not being deployed in our best interests.

    http://dangerousminds.net/comments/d...eds_to_be_read

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    Unfortunately war is as much about propoganda as it is about military might. None of us have the full picture especially when filtered through the media. America seems to intervene mainly when they see economics involved like gas fields and oil fields. Then aussie troops get deployed as part of our obligations as allies.
    However we need our defense people they are the reason we can even have this dialogue as mymatejack accurately points out. Yes soldiers do as their told and some die, I truly appreciate their willingness to live in the bigger picture in order for me to wake up to the sound of birds not bombs.
    Some movie I watched once described defense as like an attack dog at the bottom of the garden, unappreciated until they are needed to defend us.
    My father served in WW2 and other wars and he marched ANZAC parades so he honoured his peers. He hated talking about war and did his job in the RAF with professional pride. To dishonour ANZAC memorial times and activities with petty media articles dishonours millions and diminishes our heritage.

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    I dunno that we have much freedom left.

    Not since John Howard got the Australian equivalent of the Patriot Act passed....

    People can be arrested without warrant indefinitely and held without access to lawyers and don't get me started on what they're doing to refugees in our name.

    You can't get medical treatment without a "medicare" card and the Australian Tax Office now keeps info on your bank accounts and share holdings - whether you gave the banks and companies your tax file number or not - the ATO is working the equivalent of the Australia card already.

    And now they're going to collect and store data on where we surf. This ought to make catching and charging facebook bullies easier but they probably won't use it for that.

    So the freedom from extreme government interference and spying on us and having to carry id everywhere - seems to be gone.

    We do still get to protest but you can bet everyone that is protesting at the G20 will have a government file or three by the end of it whether they were arrested or not.

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    I guess nowhere is perfect. I dont really care too much about what info the government has on me because it would be pretty darn boring, they can knock themselves out spying on me LOL.

    I was bought up in and fled from a country where life meant not so much. My parents had friends killed by government soldiers for no reason so they packed in the dark put us in the car and fled. I have several friends from Sudan and Iran who escaped to settle in Australia and believe me none of us for one moment would not think how lucky we are to live in such an amazing country. The country town I live near is populated by Africans in particular, mainly doctors, nurses and teachers who have left war torn countries in search of a safer life for their families. You generally only relocate from your home country if you have to. The process through the right channels is long and protracted. My father was sponsored and worked and lived in Australia for a year before we could join him.

    Freedom is reletive I guess to what you have experienced before. It is certainly worth protecting.
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