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    Default Pedigree question. Will our puppy be pedigree?

    Hi we are eager to await the birth of our Dalmatian puppy. We have picked a wonderful reputable breeder and I have done some research on pups parents. They are both very successful show dogs The only question I have is the stud dog has been identified as 'Pedigree' on their website while the mother to be has not been identified as pedigree on their website. Why would this be and will the puppy be a pedigree?

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    I believe that if you buy from a registered breeder, your puppy will be pedigree. Especially if the parents are show dogs. I'm pretty sure there is a difference between pedigree and purebred. As far as i know a purebred dog is a dog that is pure (or at least appears to be pure) but does not have documents to prove the dog's family history. A Pedigree dog is a dog who is pure breed, but also has papers listing 4-5 generations back in your dogs history.

    For example, my parents got our pure breed Kelpie from a friend who has working dogs, we met the parents and saw that they were pure breed, but because he wasn't a registered breeder, she does not have papers to show her family history, therefore is not a pedigree dog.

    I got my Australian Shepherd from a registered breeder, he came with pedigree papers showing his family history, including names and titles. This proves that he is a Purebred Pedigree dog.

    If your breeder is registered, she will provide you with pedigree papers for your puppy, which will prove he is in fact a pedigree dog

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    Just ask for the parents rego papers/numbers. Not sure if Dally's have the same, but in the Newfoundland dogs we have a world-wide registration where we can check for health issues. Well bred dogs (newfies) that are registered are on this so you can check what their health scores are. In newfies it is Hips, elbows, cardiac issue and cystinuria (?spelling)......The one thing I do like from pure breds is that you can bhave some expectations of what you get. So getting from a responsible breeder for example in the newfies, you get a sound, healthy of good temperament dog....BUT, this can also sometimes have mishaps as sometimes even the best intentions of a breeder do not come to fruition. You can get a great pup and if trained badly or ignored it can turn into a aggressive, ill tempered dog or just an idiot. If not fed well and excercised and kept up to a certain level can become unhealthy or unsound. And just like with epople there are always the few that just happen, they have health issues and temp issues. But in general this should happen less. And if it does happen a good breeder will assist you or at least support and give advise. I do know there are some health issues (genetic) in Dalmations, and right now, here at work I cannot think of them, so ask and an honest Breeder should happily discuss this with you
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    Only dogs registered with ANKC (pedigree) can be shown at dog shows.

    So if both dogs have been to ANKC shows - they are both pedigree.

    The breeder should have a "prefix" eg "Choccaspot" is a prefix and "Dumbledeer" is another. All puppies from the breeder will have their breeder prefix as part of their ANKC pedigree registered name. Naturally most pedigree dogs have a nickname used in the home - like race horses have long fancy names but short stable names for use by their carers.

    It's good that the parent dogs have different prefixes. If they had the same prefix - that would suggest inbreeding - which can lead to all sorts of problems depending on how they're chosen. You can double up on bad genes while the breeder might argue they are doubling up on the good genes. Just not worth the pain and risk of a puppy that is always sick if you ask me.

    So when an ANKC breeder sells a puppy - they are supposed to supply the buyer with the ANKC pedigree papers. The breeder might choose to put the puppy on "limited register" if it's going to a pet home - because that's slightly cheaper but it also means that the puppy cannot be used to breed ANKC registered puppies... unless the breeder and the buyer agree and upgrade the registration to "Main".

    If you want to maybe show or breed your puppy sometime in the future - you should discuss this with your puppy's breeder and ask for a puppy suitable for "Main" registration.

    Some breeders are really uptight about this, and some are delighted. Most will appreciate your honesty and it's harder for the uptight ones to view you as "competition" if you are taking the puppy interstate to live. The delighted breeders will help you with all sorts of useful information about how to go about "bettering the breed" including any contacts they might have locally who can help you in the show ring and with selecting suitable partners for your puppy.

    Personally - breeding dogs is not something I will ever want to do - so I'm quite happy to get mine desexed and not have to live with the mess from "being on heat". I prefer females to males...

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    Thank you for all that information, I greatly appreciate this. I will be purchasing my puppy as a pet, I just don't feel I will have the time to invest in dog showing and I will also be desexing him. Desexing is important to us as we believe he will be a more settled dog as a result. Plus as I have no interest in breeding I do not think I want him out populating at dog parks haha

    I do have another question, it is about vet insurance. I was thinking about RSVP pet insurance, but does anyone have any recommendations?

    Thank you

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    I cannot compare as I have only been with Medibank Private.they have paid out about $10,000 to me so far and I have had no issues..........I did hear that the RSPCA keeps them on forever, Medibank Private has an age limit, but i would not put my older dogs throughthe expensive surgeries so it is not as relevant. I pay a $200 excess. My most recent payout was withing 10 working days, no questions asked at all and i was even slightly late with the paperwork
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    There's two insurance companies that back pet insurance in Australia and they don't have much incentive to provide a good deal. They are Hollards and Allianz - ie when you look at the insurance deal it will have "backed by Hol ar ds" or "backed by Al lia nz".

    Personally I won't insure with A lli anz ever again. There's not much point having insurance if they don't pay what they agreed when you need it.

    I have "pet insurance Australia" which was really good when I first signed up - price and value wise but it's gone up an outrageous amount each year, tho it's still managed to be cheaper than switching to another company eg Medibank Private offered me a discount code but still didn't bring the premium close to what I have. Maybe that's my "no claim discount" because I've not claimed. These and RSPCA are backed by Hollards.

    I've heard of premiums doubling this year... not good. That was with P et pla n and they're backed by those I refuse to do business with.

    Most insurance cover will take on a puppy and keep insuring for life as long as you stay insured with them but many have an upper age limit for "new customers". The Hollards backed insurance - have a policy about "bilateral" eg anything the dog has two of... eg cataract in the first eye is covered but not the one in the other eye. So with a lot of things if you have to claim - then for each thing you can't claim again - tho sometimes ... especially if you ring up first and say "is this covered - how much do I get back" (and record that phone call) you can get a different decision. Eg lumps off a dog. My brother's dog had six lumps, his company (hollards backed) said yes we will pay 80% and when he submitted the claim they only wanted to pay for the first lump and not all the others, so he referred them back to their phone call and got a bit more back but it was still short of the 80%.

    Of the various hol lards retailers - some are better at paying out than others. Some offer cheaper premiums but have lower annual (or lifetime) maximum payouts. Not a problem if your dog never has anything serious go wrong.

    Personally I'd pick one of the holla rds backed ones - and see if I could find out any info on claim payouts (ask your favourite vet who they find easiest to deal with).

    It's not like car insurance or human health insurance with no claim bonuses and discounts. They can bump the premiums as much as they like whenever they like. So I'm expecting when my dog hits the high risk age threshold it might be easier to self insure. Ie the premiums will be so high it won't be worth having.

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    If they are both show dogs they will both be registered and over here at least all puppies then need to be registered as a litter. You should recieve the option of registrations papers and if you dont want to register them I have always been given a copy of the parents pedigrees.

    I personally dont worry if the the parents have the same prefix. It is easy to see what level of inbreeding there is by looking at the papers. Line breeding and inbreeding have their place and a good breeder will know how to do it for the right reasons. All my dogs have had a level of inbreeding, particularly my working dogs where breeders have been strengthening herding traits, but they always work out their inbreeding coeficcients and do a lot of planning around matings and have very good knowledge of the lines they use.

    A good breeder will also have done the appropriate genetic tests. When I bought my pedigree dogs they came with copies of their parents certificates declaring them free of the genetic diseases that are common in their breed and also the parent's hip and elbow scores. I would expect no less from a good breeder. My pedigree dogs are desexed and I was never going to use them for breeding but the breeders gave me the copies of the genetic tests and hip and elbow scores without me even having to ask. I liked that, because it demonstrated to me that they cared about the health of their pups. The last thing you want is to be lumped with a dog that is going to cost you thousands in vet bills down the track that could have been avoided if the appropriate gentic tests had been done before the parents had been bred.
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    On vet insurance, I have Petsecure (Hollards) on a couple of my dogs and they have paid without question. With the bilateral condition I had no problem. My dog was diagnosed with bilateral elbow dysplasia and the insurance paid for both elbows to be done. How it works is they have a per condition limit of a certain number of dollars. So both elbows were considered one condition, not two conditions. The surgery and scans on both elbows came in just under the $ limit for one condition so all was good. You need to check on how this works for the insurance you choose. Depending on the level of cover there is also usually an annual limit for illness and for accidents.

    Read the fine print and ask questions. Once your dog has been diagnosed with a condition if you change insurers it will be considered a pre exisiting condition by the new insurers and not covered. So choose well.
    Last edited by Kalacreek; 09-23-2014 at 11:09 PM.

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