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    I was passing some time in the newsagent this morning when i picked up the 'Dog News' newspaper. I sometimes look through it briefly, but i've never found it that interesting. On the front page I saw "RECOGNITION AT LAST, final hurdle for the Labradoodle"

    Sounds like the Labradoodle is pretty close to becoming registered as a pure breed with the ANKC... They want to change its name though... which i'm glad about.

    They referenced this breeder in the article, she doesn't sound too bad...

    Australian Labradoodle Breeders, Labradoodles, Puppies for Sale | Tamaruke

    I'm not so sure how I feel about this though... I guess every breed has had to start somewhere, but I still feel like there is a lot of inconsistency in these dogs... and I've found their coat always seems to be a nightmare to groom... a thick curly poodle coat with a labrador undercoat...

    I guess if the name is changed and the myths about an allergy free coat are dismissed and the breeders are doing it for the right reason, then it isn't so bad if they become registered...

    What do you guys reckon?
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    Given their popularity it was bound to happen. Not really surprised. Don't think it'll really change much though.

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    You're probably right Thingz, probably won't change much.

    MMJ - I also thought it would be many many years before this would happen. This is the newspaper it was in http://www.dognewsaustralia.com/

    Its all about pure breed dogs, and is full of stuff about shows and show dogs - hence why i've never been that interested in it.

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    Change at ANKC is usually glacial... (v e r y .... s l o o o w w w)

    It's hard to imagine the labradoodle getting accepted by the current ANKC people who are rusted on pedigree breeders...

    I think it would have much the same purpose as a pug or Pekingese - ie "pet dog". I think the coolie has a much better chance of getting up - because it has been a recognisable breed for much longer - ie a farm dog with the breed histories going back to 1800s...

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    It's purpose is to be a companion dog, for which there is way more demand then any of the other original purposes of most breeds.

    I admit I haven't read the article yet. Will they have enough breeders breeding pups from labradoodle parents to make it a breed? I was under the impression that most oodles were a first cross of 2 breeds and hence the vast inconsistencies.

    I'm all for new breeds. There is a great need to have more "easy breeds" like Cavs and similar, I reckon. Whether this potential new breed is easy, I don't know. The only one I've known personally is pretty anxious and neurotic.

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    The only labradoodles i've met have been the direct result of a lab and poodle mix so have varied a lot. But I won't deny that the ones from the breeders who have spent years doing all kinds of tests and selecting specific lines to get specific traits don't sound too bad. There still seem to be a few inconsistencies, but the more I think about it, I actually don't mind the idea of a new breed if they're not straight lab X poodles... every breed has to start somewhere.

    I do wish Koolies were accepted though, I never really understood why they aren't...

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    To be registered a pure breed there has to be an accepted breed standard to ensure consistency and this only usually happens after quite a few generations I would think.

    Well as the owner of a working bred Koolie I really hope that the ANKC leaves them alone. They are working dogs and they have their own registers. Mine is registered with the working Koolie association which keep rigorous records. They are very variable in their looks. Mine is a short coated dog that stands 56.5 cms tall bred for working cattle, while other Koolies I know are long coated and much smaller, there is a huge range of physical variety, coats, size, ear set , working style, depending on the terrain, working line etc.. The ANKC ****genises them for the showring. I can see no benefit at all to the breed. They are currently fit, healthy dogs bred primarily as working dogs, why would you want this to change?

    Could never see why they did that with kelpies either. Working bred kelpies have already started to deviate in looks to the one size fits all showbreds. I had my working kelpie next to a showbred once and I was amazed had how much more physically suited my dog looked to a day working. Her ears might have been a bit too large and she has a small flash of chest white in her rich red coat which is against ANKC breed standard, but her structure was very much superior. A lean, well angled working machine from proven working lines registered with the working kelpie council. I wouldnt touch an ANKC registered BC, kelpie or Koolie with a barge pole, not with the fantastic working lines we have out there in the hands of reputable working breeders.

    I tend to view the ANKC breds as the pet versions. The working breds have their own breed registers. If you have a top rating with the Working Kelpie council your pups automatically carry a working guarantee but you have to jump through many hoops to achieve that status.
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    You make a very good point about the Koolies! I've never been a big fan of ANKC Kelpies... they just don't look like what i know as a real Kelpie. Some of the ones i've seen have quite short legs and are very stocky... nothing like the thin and agile working lines that I prefer. Its a shame really. People talk about the Labradoodle needing a purpose (pet, working dog etc) to be registered. But the ANKC is changing the breeds so much over many years that many of the pure breeds wouldn't be well suited to their original purpose anyway.

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    The banana back GSD comes to mind.. but I don't really care if they're recognised either way. If it encourages more people to breed responsibly then that's good, but as it is people have all the options to do it properly already, being a recognised breed or not isn't really gonna change this IMO. All comes down to money and the crappy breeders can't afford all the health checks (or just don't bother). Suppose it'll just allow them to be showed, not a big deal. In terms of reasons for owning dogs, showing is probably very, very low on the scale vs working use, companion/service dogs etc.
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    I think the ANKC could take some notes from the German Dog Breed Association - there - before a GSD is allowed to be on the breed register - it has to pass a whole bunch of practical tests to show its suitability to the purpose of the breed.

    The Verein für Deutsche Schäferhunde
    put the dog's working ability first... It has to pass some sort of practical test before it's allowed to be used for breeding dogs that can be put on their register. Scuse the translation. I think there is quite a bit of jargon that google doesn't recognise.
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