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Thread: Street Fight - Where Do We Stand?

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    Having held as many as 100 dogs in a day for euthanasia, one after the other, I take a slightly different view on things. Ninety five percent of those dogs who died were healthy, happy, loving animals who would have made wonderful family pets. They didn't bite kids or attack other animals. They died simply because the novelty had worn off, or they grew too big or too small, or farted when Ma in law came for lunch, pick your own excuse....it all boiled down to the same thing. Too many dogs, not enough homes.

    In the old days I took it my fair share of problem dogs. Rehabilitating them was rewarding, especially when you found them the perfect home. In hindsight I now believe what I did was wrong. While I put in the work on one, dozens of problem free dogs died and didn't get a second chance.

    Hope this makes sense.

    Congratulations on your splendid efforts to help avert a disaster Southern Harmony. Forgot to mention that before but I mean it most sincerely.

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    I agree the dog deserves a second chance. How anyone can advocate that a dog should be PTS from reading 2 pharagraphs on the internet on the actual attack incident is beyond me! The dog needs to be professionally assessed as Anne has said. If it turns out he is dog aggresive, it can be managed by an owner (Provided the owner is obviously a responsible dog savvy one) and DA dogs can and have even been rehabilitated.

    Southern has said also, the dog was NEVER walked. Can you imagine how highly strung that dog must be living in those conditions ATM. Constantly full of energy and on edge i would imagine!

    Just out of curiosity, what breed is the dog that got out and attacked the Lab?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deerhound View Post
    In the old days I took it my fair share of problem dogs. Rehabilitating them was rewarding, especially when you found them the perfect home. In hindsight I now believe what I did was wrong. While I put in the work on one, dozens of problem free dogs died and didn't get a second chance.

    Hope this makes sense.
    It makes sense but I don't neccessarily agree. I understand we all have to draw our lines somewhere but guilt should never play a part and I believe you are feeling guilt.

    I feel a similar sense of guilt and helplessness when I see the dogs dying each week in my local pounds - Hawkesbury, Blacktown and Renbury. And here is little me, refusing to save any of them but the Pugs.

    I can have no Pugs in but I still don't step up to the plate to save the healthy, the perfect and the cute or any of them.

    However, that is the line I choose to follow, just as you chose to follow your line and save the dogs you did. I will take in any Pug, even if it means that I have to spend thousands on health and veterinary costs, over any other breed of dog sitting in that impounf facility.

    I feel sad that beautiful and deserving dogs die while I wait for the next Pug. But that is the line I choose to follow. The guilt is just part of it and I would say part of any rescuers makeup. We simply can not save them all.

    Another angle - if a Pug raced out and attacked the old Lab (don't think there are not Pugs out there that wouldn't do this), would you recommend that he be euth'd? Give hime the same background as the dog in this thread. Naturally he wouldn't cause much damage but that would not be through want of trying.

    Is it the dog or the action that we judge?

    Is it the breed and not the dog that we judge?

    Should we best reserve our judgement and wait until an assesment of all of the factors are considered?

    In all probability, the dog would possibly be euth'd and would fail the assessment, but we, the readers do not know for sure.

    I will always try to avoid stating 'euthanasia' because I think we have now come to accept that this is what we should do and we do it, and say it, so easily now.

    We kill dogs in pounds every day. As Nathan Winograd says - the RSPCA, formed to SAVE animals, advocates killing them for the simplest reasons...overcrowding, ill health, poor training and socialisation. Are we forum dwellers becoming judge, jury and executioners too?
    A pessimist sees the glass as half empty;
    An optimist sees the glass as half full;
    A realist just finishes the damn thing and refills it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Harmony View Post
    The dog NEVER socialised with other dogs; The dog NEVER went for walks (the other one goes occasionally and he stayed locked up); The dog NEVER knew a life outside the bounds of that fence. He got out once before, ran to Lola and Zep and there was not a problem (although his owner ran across the road hysterically and pulled at his collar stopping him - I told her it was cool and it was ok that they met! - nope!)

    Anyways, kinda made me feel like dogs suffer the punishment for poor upbringing, training and social development which should be the responsibility of the owners .. yet they themselves continue with their own stubborn and ill-educated methods of pooch raising. Made me feel a bit sad .. and somewhat p*ssed off really.
    Great job you done there, good on you And I feel the same as you

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    Ok - perhaps the OP can answer this

    If the dog had been - instead of a lab - perhaps a pug/chihuahua/mini pin - would it have lived?

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    What's OP?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena View Post
    What's OP?
    Original poster

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    Of courseThanks Ozeymum

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    Hey Pooch Lovers,

    It was really cool to come on and read all of your comments - I'm just back from a week away at work so sorry I wasn't here as the 'OP' to answer your questions. I take it the main issue was the breed? He was a Ridgeback X .. I am not sure what with, I would really just be guessing?

    The update is that the dog did indeed get a second chance and has gone to, yes you guessed it, a farm. Sorry, there will be some who say this is a bad idea! I don't know the farm, the owner, the situation so I can't really comment on that part of it. I guess for me I feel a little better knowing that he isn't being put down. But his future.. I don’t know?

    I do take everyone's points about 'dangerous dogs' but I guess I try and see things in a bit of a positive kinda dog world. I try and believe that most (not all) dogs can be reconditioned (if that’s the right word?) through positive, strong, disciplined, exercised and love based training and obedience. I completely take the point that I might be living in a fantasy world sometimes, but I'm prepared to take that tag occasionally if it could prevent an unnecessary death of a dog. I don't advocate just letting the dog carry on as it did.. I'm talking more about very careful and structured work with the dog - not just keeping the status quo and making sure that there is no danger for owners, neighbours etc etc - there would have to be plenty of checks and balances in this regard.

    I guess the problem comes down to - who is going to do this? The dog owners won't, they never walked their dog let alone have the skills to take on such a big task. Some obedience trainers might take on the task? Up where I am though, it would never happen. So who does it? This is why I believe a lot of so called 'aggressive' or 'dangerous' dogs are euthanised - it is too hard, too much trouble and too costly to undertake the job of conditioning, training and loving it back to a stage of being 'socially acceptable'. And I don't mean running the streets of its own free will.

    Anyways as I always say when I post something .. I am not a dog behavioral expert, so these comments are just mine and what I think. The good thing about healthy debate though is I’m learning so much so I appreciate you all taking the time to write back and sharing your ideas about the matter.

    Stay cool everyone and pats for all your furry friends.
    Last edited by Southern Harmony; 04-19-2010 at 11:57 PM.

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    sure a dog can be rehabilitated
    youve seen cesar do his marvels supposedly
    trouble is most people wont go to the expense of getting their dog assessed professionally
    and it is very expensive - isnt it
    the average joe just hopes his dog turns out fine without training and socialisation
    so in this case
    i think unless someone who is terribly dedicated steps in and takes the dog on
    the safest thing is pts
    sad fact
    but there are too many dogs with irresponsible owners and such is their fate
    im not risking my own dogs with dogs like these
    are you kidding?
    a shredded dog or worse is not what i envisage for my beloved pups

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