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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    Ok I've not met any I'd say were bred responsibly. So I can't comment on responsibly bred cross bred mutts. In my experience - pet shop puppies (the small cute ones) have more health problems and are not so well trained as dogs that come from responsible breeders who make sure their new puppy homes are fully informed and supported before and after taking the dog home.

    But if you want an "unbiased opinion", my dog hates poodle crosses. She finds them rude, obnoxious, in your face bullies that don't know when to back off - ie they're crap at reading doggy body language signals. They can't do a polite greeting even as an adult fully grown dog, they pull on lead and they jump all over other dogs they're trying to say hello to and they play too rough.

    So now when she sees one coming - she shoos it off before it can say hello. And she's quite forceful about it because they don't understand subtle signals to rack off.

    So my guess is that a poodle cross is more likely to be owned by someone who is uneducated or misinformed about what goes on with the breeding of these dogs, has not had good support from the breeders and has not had any training for themselves or the dogs. These owners allow rude behaviour by their dogs and then blame other dogs for being upset with it and then say icky things like "you shouldn't bring an unfriendly dog to an off lead park"... "You shouldn't bring a rude obnoxious thug of a dog to an off lead park.
    If I had to posit a theory about crosses and inability to read doggy social language, I'd say it is likely because of the conditions in which they are bred, and the lack of good socialisation opportunities along with often early removal from mum and litter mates. The conditions in which many puppy farms, byb breeders and irresponsible breeders raise the puppies (and this would be the vast majority of Designer Crosses and other crosses) does not lend itself to maximising temperamental soundness.

    At least registered breeders (ie ANKC registered and working registers) have legal requirements that are directed towards good health- both physical and psychological.

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    I dont agree that the ONLY way to get a quality dog, is to get a pedigree registered breeder.
    As ive met many. I have a lovely example in our family.

    Of those 30 registered breeders that HAVE done their "research" into blood lines. How many out of 30 are qualified geneticists?
    research, my ass.

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    Registered breeders through their membership of their state canine control council must abide by a Code of Behaviour - which is very different to legal requirements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I dont agree that the ONLY way to get a quality dog, is to get a pedigree registered breeder.
    As ive met many. I have a lovely example in our family.

    Of those 30 registered breeders that HAVE done their "research" into blood lines. How many out of 30 are qualified geneticists?
    research, my ass.
    I don't think anyone is saying that the only healthy dogs come from registered breeder - not me - anyway ! I have 3 examples of my previous pups to say that is not so !

    I do place a lot of credence on the health testing of the sire and dam for known problems with a specific breed.

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    well most people know my stance on this..
    but i found this funny little gem today on youtube.

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    It's a cute video.

    I nearly got myself banned from I forget where by mentioning that bulldogs still have "head as big as possible" as part of their breed standard.

    Dog shows that awarded prizes based on appearance and not health and temperament (apart from not biting the judge) - cause a lot of problems - depending on how serious people get about winning.

    Germany is starting to turn things around with their GSDs - where only ones that have passed certain performance tests are approved for breeding...

    And the Dalmations allowed an outcross with a English Pointer to get rid of some urinary tract problems the entire breed had.

    I think it probably worked better when outcrosses could be done whenever... but that went hand in hand with culling any unwanted mutant puppies.

    There are a lot of dog breeds in historical paintings - going back to the Egyptians maybe further... there are dutch paintings of Spanish princesses with pugs and cavs in their laps. I suspect those dogs were more useful than chastity belts in some cases. Tho if I was a Spanish princess I think I'd want a much bigger dog...

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    well given a lot of stuff from history... the world has come along way as far as certain things go, but long way back on other things.
    people got to focused on profit and personal gain over whats good for the dogs.
    and rather than work on any problems that came up... just cover it up and keep going without doing anything.
    hopefully things start changing and breeders start thinking of the dogs first rather than there social status.
    honestly if i saw a breeder come out and say found this problem recently and want to work with people to avoid it happening again... i'd be proud.
    rather than it coming out later after the problem's out of control and they have used dogs causing the problems countless times. and let it goto stud to others without there knowledge of a problem potentially being there

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    true, but does highlight a growing problem that others might fall into if things don't change.

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    I have had quite a few Heelers both farm and show bred and none of them have ever been prone to nipping and biting people an nor should they if they are properly bred. I have a couple with elbow dysplasia in the ANKC registered dogs due to lack of screening of this problem in this breed. I have also seen some real problems in backyard bred heelers with temperament and genetic problems. This is a breed where a good knowledge of temperament and health is essential. I have had less problems in the farm bred dogs that have been specifically selected from working stock.

    We also have a labradoodle in the family with a lovely temperament but health problems have been a very long list, she was from a backyard breeder.

    I have mainly working sheepdogs these days and all I am interested in is their herding traits and physical abilities and temperaments. I don't really care if they are say a border collie with a splash of kelpie or cattle dog with splash of kelpie. I look for pups from sound hard working, good temperament parents. I prefer if there has been some level of health screening for hips and eyes but more often I have to look to other progeny and the lineage.

    I don't like it when people breed without knowledge, and for stupid reasons or to make a quick buck or for characteristics that are fashionable even if they are unhealthy for the dog. I think this happens far too often.

    Hard to think what I would do if I was looking for a pet dog. I think my first stop would be to look at rescue and several of my dogs come from rescue, and if I wanted something specific I would look for a registered breeder, but I would be very fussy and be asking a lot of questions and taking my time.

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    Just laughed the house awake with that video

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