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    Default Get a new pup while good old dog still lives or wait for the old girl to pass away?

    Title asks the question.

    Our old girl is 13 and has had 2 major operations removing cancers in the last 2 years which have probably bought her a couple more years. She is still active and agile for her age, has no joint problems, is well socialised, submissive to humans except unknown men/teens, well behaved and tolerates small children and puppies. Her only flaw is some ongoing aggression toward small dogs since my wife was bitten by an antisocial king charles cavalier (advice on this is also well received, and I am not having a go at the breed individual differences are huge).

    In short she would be a good example to a pup looking to fit in with our way of life. I also like the idea that the pup would not be alone in early life probably helping it to have a more stable character.

    My wife thinks we are better not to let her be hassled by a young pup is her last years.

    Please voices of experience, share your wisdom

    Bo

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    Hi Bo

    You could seek out a rescue org in your area and adopt an older dog maybe 4 or so - ie past puppy stage but younger than your old dog.

    If you do get a puppy - the older dog may be able to help train it. If your older dog has bad habits you'd rather the puppy didn't have, then maybe wait otherwise your older dog will corrupt the younger one.

    I listened to a podcast this morning that talked about animals having feelings in particular, grief. So if you do get another dog before the older one dies - it will be sad for a while after the older one goes.

    My brother likes to overlap his dogs. It works well for him.

    This is where I'd go looking for a puppy or dog first...
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    The downside to having a puppy with an old dog is that the puppy is full of life and will annoy the hell out of the old dog. I suppose it depends on what breed you're wanting to get...I had an 8 yr old Dobermann and I got a GSD pup which as she grew wanted to play and my Dobe didn't so we had a problem...it got to the stage where my Dobe would snap at my GSD pup.

    I have nearly the same problem now (you'd think I'd learn) with Rex and Chloe (both GSDs). Rex was nearly 10 yrs old when I got Chloe who was 7.5 mths old (Rescue)...well Chloe wanted to play with Rex non stop and Rex being old didn't want to so Rex bit Chloe. The first time I saw a wound I thought Chloe had run into something...the next time I saw Rex bite her so I knew it was him.

    Today 20 mths later Chloe still wants to play...she'll run around the yard like a bat out of hell and jump over Rex and sometimes has knocked him over as Rex being old (now 11.6 yrs) has wobbly back legs and of cause doesn't like it so I have to be out with him most times. Another problem is Chloe doesn't like Rex going near her toys and is some times jealous when Rex gets some attention...but I think this is an individual thing. A puppy is a full time job by itself and getting a pup to keep the old dog company is asking for trouble IMO.
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    I think it depends on the situation. My old girl is nearly 14 and my youngest is 18 months. However the old girl has always adored puppies and welcomed them all and been happy to play with them. She is bit too old now to be hassled but I find the puppy doesnt really and I still find them having the odd game. However I do a lot of training with my dogs for trialing so perhaps it is not the normal situation.

    However I know quite a few situations where it has wqorked well although there is an element of training and management required. Not sure if breed is a factor. I know mainly working breed dogs. Before when I had 2 dogs in suburbia I used to overlap them. One cattle dog was 10 when I got the new pup and she was capable of either playing with the pup or putting it in its place. They got on well.

    However this is not always going to be the case as mentioned above. I have been pretty lucky with my old dogs being quite happy with new pups.

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    Sorry guys you misunderstood what I wanted to hear.
    Irrevocable scientific evidence to give to my wife advocating why we need a new puppy.
    A graph or pie chart would help.

    Seriously though, thanks for your responses. I now see it is not a one sided issue and has the potential to work or not either way.

    Hyacinth, I am unsure about rescue dogs, I have been a few times to the shelter. I know it is a compassionate thing to do but I see it a bit like adopting instead of having your own child. This may not be true and I am willing to keep an open mind. I am not a person who gets a puppy impulsively, knowing we may be together for a very long time. I believe the level of trust I have with my dog is at least partially due to conditioning as a puppy and the bond is probably deepened by puppy love. I would add to this a desire to have an Airedale terrier, a dog my wife loves and grew up with as a child and learn/practice more involved training/conditioning. However the ethical ground is with the shelter, no argument, I may have to get past my own desires and do the right thing.

    Dogman, I am not getting a pup to keep the old dog company, just saying the company may be helpful for the pup as I have a full time job already. Thanks for your comment though, as it clearly demonstrates the overlap is not always a good thing. If you could turn back the clock would you have done it again or is it genuine regret at a bad decision.

    Kalacreek, thanks for your input. It is a couple of years now my old dog cant keep up on a long jog with me, she also is very timid on the boat (late addition) and I am interested in getting into clicker training. I also grew up on a farm with sheep dogs and know they love a job. I believed the new dog would have adequate time away with me exercising, training and keeping an eye out as my little shipmate. The unfortunate thing is the old girl is past joining in my new adventures. She would put a puppy in its place as would any dog or human but I doubt she would bite unless in pain herself. We have had puppies lodge before and it went ok, though if she could talk she may have said she was happy it was just a visit.

    At the end on the day I guess my wife is also significant in the decision so I will leave be for now, thanks all.
    Bo

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    I am unsure about rescue dogs, I have been a few times to the shelter. I know it is a compassionate thing to do but I see it a bit like adopting instead of having your own child.
    The shelter is a traumatic place for everyone. Much more often now - rescue dogs are "fostered out" to semi-normal homes with crazy dog people. And those foster carers want the best home, not the first home for their foster dog or puppy.

    I got Frosty evil hound from AWL when she was 10 weeks old. So she's always been my dog. Sort of. She's always been EVERYBODY's Friend, and given I was the only fun police around - sometimes anyone was better than me. But I've learned heaps from her. I did pick the friendly puppy over her sister who didn't want to know me. And glad I didn't try to adopt both. I think I'd be living in a tin shed by now if I'd done that (double trouble).

    So if you find a shelter or rescue org that is on pet rescue that's near you - you can talk about what you need and they will know if they have anything that is suitable or not... and hopefully - if they're any good - they won't let you have anything that is not suitable.

    I've seen a few studies that show that a dog is good for you, but none that show that a puppy is good for an older dog - but that might just be because nobody has done that study.

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    Graphs won't mean a thing as every situation is different.
    With rescues too you can get a trial period. I like this idea as you get a couple of weeks to make an assessment.

    My mother always got a pup with an old dog and it worked for her but I would be listening to what dogman says as yes, it could be very stressful to the older dog if not managed properly or personalities clash. An old dog in pain/with health issues, may not be very tolerant either with a boisterous chewing pup.

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    Yes I doubt you can find irrevocable evidence to support something that is purely a case by case thing. As many of the comments here have said it will depend on how your old dog reacts. The puppy will definitely want to play and bounce around and it will depend on how much your older dog can tolerate that as to whether they become friends or the old dog wishes you'd never bought the puppy. If you do go ahead with it the big thing will be making sure thatyou can separate them when needed and not leave them alone together until you are very sure that it won't result in a fight.

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    Hi there ... I have just got a 10wk male English Springer Spaniel x Border Collie and my 13yo female Shih Tzu x Maltese loves him. I have found the her calmness has rubbed off on his puppiness and his puppiness has spiced up her playtime. I no longer use a bowl for their food, it's either used as part of training, in a Kong style chew toy or a food hunt. They are having so much fun together. I am so happy I took the chance, it's paid off massively but there must be continuous training and socialisation for the little one.
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    You asked..."Get a new pup while good old dog still lives or wait for the old girl to pass away?"

    Myself and others responded with our opinions and experiences on just that...then you say...

    "Sorry guys you misunderstood what I wanted to hear.
    Irrevocable scientific evidence to give to my wife advocating why we need a new puppy.
    A graph or pie chart would help."

    No we didn't... scientific evidence and pie charts...are you serious.

    Here are some pie charts...enjoy.



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