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    Default What are your thoughts on breeders only selling desexed pups?

    I've noticed that a lot of registered breeders refuse to sell their puppies to pet homes unless the pups are desexed before they go... So I guess that means they are desexing the pups before 8 weeks of age?? I was under the impression that desexing that young is not the best for the dogs, especially larger breeds...

    I'm mostly seeing this in poodle breeders, so i can see why they would do that (to prevent backyard breeders and more oodle X's) Its kind of annoying though, because i've been looking at Standard Poodle breeders (yes i know, i'm not ready for another dog yet, and probably won't be for a while, but i can't help but research ) and I don't like the idea of buying an 8 week old pup that is already desexed, naturally i'd want to wait until minimum of 6 months but probably 12 months of age or older.

    It also makes me think about those responsible people who want to keep their dog entire, but not breed... From what i'm reading it would be very hard for those people to get an entire puppy from a registered breeder... and if they did get an entire puppy, i'm sure there would be a desexing contract thing with refunded amount of money once the surgery is done...

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    I think it reflects how often poodle breeders in particular have been burned.

    One of the ladies at my dog club has a lovely miniature? (small) silver poodle pedigree - that was bought by a BYB / puppy farm which the breeder was horrified by. She got him back. He'd been kept in a small cage that he couldn't stand up or turn around in properly - had almost no human contact and his whole dog social life was about making bitches pregnant. I think that started when he was around 6 months old - maybe younger.

    He was really timid, easily spooked, and had no idea about dogs or people when I first met him at dog club. And he gradually got bolder and happier and even naughty as the months went along.

    So I would imagine all the trust for that breeder would be gone - as far as people she doesn't know goes.

    So if you want your standard poodle undesexed until 18 months old - you will probably need to make friends with a breeder now. You could probably do one of those shared ownership contracts until the dog is desexed. And the breeder might like the option of waiting to see how a puppy grows up before deciding if they want to breed that dog. That's if you don't mind if it has some puppies or sires some.

    But that's what I'd do if I was getting a dog from breeder not rescue. Don't get any choice with rescue and I can see why.

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    I agree that you need to develop a relationship with your breeder. Poodle breeders have most definitely been burned with this oodle obsession.

    I personally would not buy a pup that has been desexed before 8 weeks. I took on a young working bred cattle dog pup from rescue that would likely have been impossible to rehome into suburbia and I informed them that I would only take her if I could desex her at 12 months old. I knew their head trainer well so it was allowed on recommendations by her.

    I generally will only buy animals from breeders that I have relationship with. I interview them as much as I expect them to interview me. I am very definite about my intentions and make it clear that I will be sterilising the animal at what I consider an appropriate age.

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    I had to sign a contract stating i would desex my dog at 6 months ..... guess what.... i didnt. At 6 months i could still see him growing quickly so i thought i'd wait till he stopped or at least slowed down (whenever that was going to be).

    Turned out i had to do it for other medical reasons anyway. I think its a fair call for a breeder to request that a limited register dog be desexed. But before 8 weeks ? No way. Not a big/giant breed like Mojo is.

    In saying that though my Ridgeback was a pound puppy and desexed at 6 weeks old and he turned out just fine.


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    Desexing at 8 wks is far too young...but how do you stop backyard breeders and puppy mills buying them.

    Sounds like a catch 22 situation...a desexing contract means nothing to a backyard breeder and you can't rely on the honesty of the buyer either.

    Ours have always been desexed at 6 to 10 mths over the years with no ill effects later in life...but I doubt the same could be said if a pup was desexed at 8 wks.

    Just saw this poor girl on Pet Rescue...maybe this is one of the reasons why some Registered Breeders desex at 8 wks.
    http://www.petrescue.com.au/listings/271654

    Poor girl...I hope she finds a loving home...she deserves it after what she's been through.
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    I don't think AWL will desex a puppy until it is 8 weeks old - that's what happened to Frosty. So far so good - touch wood (taps my skull). I think they get a lot of practice at desexing tiny puppies.

    I'd like to be able to wait until the dog is about 18 months old next time - because of the bone development advantage. But I don't know if that will be an option if I get a puppy from rescue - unlikely is my guess.

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    Such a shame that poodle breeders are forced to go to such lengths to protect their puppies

    I didn't get a desexing contract with Koda, the breeder asked me to have him desexed, but there wasn't anything official.

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    Offering to delay getting the dog's papers until you show the desexing certificate may work?

    I know at our local pound they include desexing cost in the adoption fee and then give you a voucher, but that wouldn't deter puppy mill breeders...

    I would think most pups don't weigh enough to get desexed at 8 weeks? Even at our rural vets, who are usually more casual about these things, they won't desex until the pups have a certain weight, but I can't remember what the limit is. (For kittens it's 1kg)

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    Offering to delay getting the dog's papers until you show the desexing certificate may work?
    I don't think this would make any difference to a puppy mill either.

    The only people papers make a real difference to are the ones who want to compete ANKC conformation. They can compete in agility with ANKC if they do desex but they don't need papers for that.

    I'd recommend getting papers or at least asking for them - because it's a way of checking the breeder follows the ANKC code of ethics - which requires them to get papers for all the puppies.

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    The papers idea could work with some people i guess, but puppy farmers probably wouldn't care about papers anyway...

    I would feel nervous buying from a breeder that wouldn't give me papers until the pup is desexed. If i'm paying for a papered pup, then I would like to have the papers as soon as possible so I know the breeder is legit.

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