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    Is the breeder of magpie SBT (pied - magpie...) a member of the WA SBT club?

    Have you contacted them or been to an all breeds show or one of their shows yet? You will find that they all gossip about each other, and there will be a couple of breeders they all like and admire and a few they all think are scumbags. And that helps you make your choice. Avoid the really bitchy ones and the scum bags. Find one you get along well with, ask about puppies and health tests...

    2K for an SBT seems excessive. Breeding and showing is expensive but you really don't want another profit motivated breeder whose dogs do not get enough people time. Or you might as well get a puppy from the same place as last time.

    Nikki - Medium Female Staffy in WA - PetRescue
    Leela(ND204) - Medium Female Staffy Mix in WA - PetRescue

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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    That's the way I like to tell the story anyway. The owner left the cat there. I brought her back here to the farm and she is about 12 now. She is the one my dogs hate that has to be permanently separated from them or it would be a crime scene.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
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    Is the breeder of magpie SBT (pied - magpie...) a member of the WA SBT club?

    Have you contacted them or been to an all breeds show or one of their shows yet? You will find that they all gossip about each other, and there will be a couple of breeders they all like and admire and a few they all think are scumbags. And that helps you make your choice. Avoid the really bitchy ones and the scum bags. Find one you get along well with, ask about puppies and health tests...

    2K for an SBT seems excessive. Breeding and showing is expensive but you really don't want another profit motivated breeder whose dogs do not get enough people time. Or you might as well get a puppy from the same place as last time.

    Nikki - Medium Female Staffy in WA - PetRescue
    Leela(ND204) - Medium Female Staffy Mix in WA - PetRescue

    hmm, cant resist these
    Theo - Medium Male Australian Cattle Dog Mix in WA - PetRescue
    Hello there Hyacinth,

    The breeder is an over east one. I am yet to seriously look at local ones. Going to a PSBT event in May and hopefully I can get an idea of the good breeders. I think I will avoid any more eastern states breeders because I have come to realise that actually visiting the pup's environment will be crucial to my decision. Also, a good point re profit motivated breeder - don't want to fall for that particularly trap again.
    thanks for your advice, once more!

    Adrian

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    There are 3 WA Staffordshire bull terrier breeders listed with the ANKC - WESTROVA, SHAYDS and BLULUV and 3 American Staff Terrier breeders - TOTHEMAX, IROQ and AMERICUS. I have their contact details.
    I have no idea what the difference is between the 2 breeds mainly because they are not a breed that I am interested in particularly.

    There are quite a few show events on at the DOGS WEST grounds in Southern River. If you go to the DOGS WEST website it will have the calendar of events. A good opportunity perhaps to check them out if they are showing their dogs.

    I dont know anything about Staffys other than they are over represented in rescue so I would be doing my homework. I certainly would object to paying that sort of money for a pet. I would pay it for a good working dog but for a very common breed not a chance.

    Essential to understand the required health testing for the breed.

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    If you shop local - it's much easier to meet the parent dogs - always a good idea - the only time I'd skip that if I was getting one from rescue (what I've got). The parent dogs give you an idea of how friendly the puppies will be.

    And you can sight the test result papers of the parents for the various things you want to avoid in SBT pairings.

    And it's much harder for people to fob you off face to face and get away with it.

    This is the Uni Sydney list - strangely I cannot see the link for Staffordshire Bull Terrier. So I guess you'd take your best guess from Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers.
    Breeds by Groups - LIDA Dogs - Faculty of Veterinary Science - The University of Sydney

    Personally I equate American Staffordshire Terriers with Rottweilers in terms of their strength and their popularity with bad breeders or thugs who want grumpy attack dogs. There are some around with absolutely gorgeous friendly temperament but but there are so many who will try to attack all dogs and many humans. It takes all the joy out of a visit to the beach if one of those attack dogs is there.

    Ie you have to be so very careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalacreek View Post
    There are 3 WA Staffordshire bull terrier breeders listed with the ANKC - WESTROVA, SHAYDS and BLULUV and 3 American Staff Terrier breeders - TOTHEMAX, IROQ and AMERICUS. I have their contact details.
    I have no idea what the difference is between the 2 breeds mainly because they are not a breed that I am interested in particularly.

    There are quite a few show events on at the DOGS WEST grounds in Southern River. If you go to the DOGS WEST website it will have the calendar of events. A good opportunity perhaps to check them out if they are showing their dogs.

    I dont know anything about Staffys other than they are over represented in rescue so I would be doing my homework. I certainly would object to paying that sort of money for a pet. I would pay it for a good working dog but for a very common breed not a chance.

    Essential to understand the required health testing for the breed.
    Thank you for that information. I enquired with one of the WA breeders and was quoted $1,600 for a pure bred Staff pup. Still way too much for us at the moment. I have made a few enquries about an older dog, say a 2 year old male, and am awaiting a response from a few breeders in interstate. A rescue dog is another option but i'm not sure if that is the way I want to go. That may change with time.

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    There's lots of breeders around the country, I'd be looking interstate if I was you.

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    going interstate is how he got the dog he has now. Not without more than his fair share of problems. Though so far it has worked out for the best.

    It's hard to meet the parent dogs and do the relevant checks if you buy interstate and don't fly over there as well.

    Pretty sure there'd be more than three (ANKC registered) SBT breeders in WA. They're not all listed on the relevant web sites because that costs extra. and not all of them get any value out of it, ie they can sell all the puppies they have without it.

    I hate to plug the dark side but they have 18 breeders listed in WA.

    I would avoid any that promote breeding of "blue" Staffordshire bull terriers because those don't meet the breed standard (should have black nose not blue or grey nose) so those people are basically thumbing their noses at their own breed registry (ANKC) and blue with blue matings can result in all sorts of problems in SBT especially itchy skin problems and mange (the sort that's hard to get rid of). I would also avoid a dog with white fur around the nose and ears and a pink nose (sunburn and skin cancer risks). Personally the most robust SBT I've met are the tan ones and the brindle ones. And then you pick the ones that are super friendly with all dogs and people.

    Staffordshire Bull Terrier Breeders, Australia

    PS a crappy no-photo web entry is no reason to not choose them. You don't need to be good at computers to breed beautiful staffies.

    Hence my REPEATED SUGGESTION - get in touch with the WA SBT club and meet some of them.

    PPS these guys have a lot in common with ADOS - their first SBT (by the look of their website) was a rescue...
    http://www.onahi.com/#!onahi/c161y

    And they are or were on the SBT club committee. A good place to start.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 04-30-2014 at 03:53 PM.

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    Armed with a list of pointed questions you can learn alot about a breeder over the phone - I got to meet Brock's father but not his mother, but I had already vetted the breeder and the seller(which was the owners of the father) over the phone before I met them(1 1/2 hour drive to meet them so I wasn't going there without first making sure I was happy with their responses to my questions). I spent months in the lead up to Jack's death looking through breeders and calling them ... some were obvious examples of who you shouldn't buy from i.e one was very happy to sell me a Stafford as a pet on the mains register(big flag IMO)

    I absolutely agree with Hyacinth about the "blue" breeders and unfortunately most of those listed on "the dark side" are just that. Also, I reckon you're better off looking at breeders that don't have a website at all, let alone a flashy one ... think about it, people who are breeding to create the best Stafford they can to show and improve their lines are not the ones busy advertising trying to sell as many pups as possible

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    I have noticed that the obsession with 'blue' colour is quite prominent here in W.A. And thanks to the cashed-up-bogan economy, every bloke and his HSV ute wants a blue staffy to tie in the back.

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