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    As the title says, my views which have been changing for a while are now that certain breeds should be regarded differently from others. I have never accepted that all breeds are equally dangerous in the wrong hands - sure you can make any dog aggressive but some breeds are undeniably more dangerous, stronger and have instincts that lead to them more easily becoming a threat. I will never support the banning of any breed, I have seen plenty of good examples of every breed that would prevent the justification that sort of response. But after yet another attack last night, I really want new laws to be introduced that regulate and restrict who can own powerful breeds. The fact that at the moment someone can go out and buy a chihuahua/maltese/beagle/insert other small breed with the same ease that they can buy a GSD/rottie/dobe/bully breed/insert other powerful breed no longer makes any sense to me. I believe 100% that if you're a good owner it won't matter what breed you own, your dog will be great. But there is a huge difference between a bad owner buying a maltese versus buying a pitbull, and I no longer accept that people should be able to obtain an animal that without proper training, socialising etc will become a danger to society without any screening whatsoever.

    Last night I took Sammy for a long walk through Centennial park. For the most part, we had a wonderful time. We ran into lots of other dogs, including plenty of other entire males and there were no issues. Then, we emerge onto a large field and right at the other end, I can just barely make out the shape of a person and their dog. I hear the man start yelling frantically, I see that his dog is facing mine and hasn't even looked back. Man continues to yell at the dog, yelling no, come here, bad dog etc etc. Dog ignores him 100% and starts running towards us at full pelt. There is a fence next to us, a wooden barn type fence that is about 1.2m high. It is open beneath but there is some chicken wire that minimizes the gap. I commanded Sammy to jump over the fence, which thankfully he cleared and put him in a down stay. The dog is getting closer and now I can easily identify it as either an Amstaff or pitbull. It is running at full speed, directly towards Sammy. The owner has yet to make a move but from the moment I heard the way he addressed his dog I knew we were going to be on our own here anyway. My partner follows my directions, he's been with me for 2 other bully breed attacks now so he is very worried. We position ourselves directly between Sammy and the dog, and when he's within about 20m, we start yelling at him and trying to block him. He hesitates but doesn't stop and manages to evade us. He obviously didn't see the chicken wire so he stops for a second and I make a decision and reach down and grab his collar. My partner follows me so we are now both holding onto his collar. The owner has started running across the field, he is yelling sorry and telling us to hold onto his dog. I had absolutely no intention of letting him go. I clip Sammy's lead onto his collar so we can remove our hands as the dog is starting to growl and twist more violently, still 100% focused on Sammy. I could not have yanked him away by myself, but with my partner's help, we pull the dog away and move to the other side of the path. Sammy hasn't moved, he isn't even making eye contact with the dog so thankfully is giving him nothing to work with, but unfortunately that is not calming this dog down. Finally the owner starts to arrive, he is now profusely apologetic and explaining that he didn't know anyone else was going to come onto this field and that he's fine with people, just not other dogs, like that somehow is an acceptable response. His dog starts to really growl as he approaches it, it does not like him at all and the thought that comes into my head is that he has beaten this dog before. I refuse to remove Sammy's lead until he has his lead clipped on, although he keeps telling me it's fine now. Finally he has his dog and he is just yelling at it non-stop. I don't even bother to say anything, I just call Sammy and the 3 of us very literally run the entire length of the field until we can't see them anymore.

    So yes. I have had enough. That man should not have owned any dog, he was going to ruin any dog regardless of breed. But I hate to think of what that dog would have done to Sammy given half a chance or if that fence hadn't of been there and the risks when you own a small dog are just not as great in the hands of bad owners.

    I think that if you want to own a breed that has the power (and I would argue inclination in some cases) to harm people or animals, so all guarding breeds and the bully breeds, you need to have a license. These dogs can make wonderful pets but in the wrong hands, they are just too dangerous. And as the owner of a breed that people often fear due to bad experiences with poor owners, I would welcome the changes. It would mean that people would know that when they saw one of these dogs coming towards them, they could be more relaxed because they could be assured that the owners and dog had been assessed and found to be up to the task. We also know that bad owners tend to be repeat offenders and yet this doesn't even seem to be tracked. If that dog in the park had seriously hurt or worse, killed Sammy yesterday and we had pressed charges and had the dog put down (even though I don't blame the dog), there is nothing stopping that man from picking up another dog on the way home from the vet for next to nothing - there are cheap staffies available everywhere and I think that is the definition of insanity right there.

    There were American bulldog x American Staffys for sale in my local pet shop recently. In the cage next them were moodle oodle cavoodle doodles etc. They might both be dogs but owning one of them would be a completely different experience from owning the other and I think it's time this was taken into account.

    I'm going to be writing a letter to someone, as soon as I figure out who the best person is because I have had enough.

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    I think people should need a license to own any little yapball types. They are by far the most vicious

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    Well I agree that people should not let their dogs be aggressive. That said, when I meet small aggressive dogs I don't fear for my life or that of my dog. If an animal has the potential to cause extreme bodily harm to a person or another dog, you should need a license to own it. I don't want to subject people to anymore of a nanny state than what we already have to deal with, if you're not putting others at risk I don't really think anyone else needs to get involved. This is why I said I now support Breed Specific Legislation. Some breeds have the potential to be much more dangerous than others and this should be accounted for.

    But I have multiple reasons for wanting licensing of powerful breeds. First and foremost, to reduce the risk to everyone. Dog bites on humans are on the rise and all too often I hear about bully type dogs getting into fights with other dogs (not to mention the number of times my dog has been attacked). It's inevitably going to make things harder for all dog owners regardless of what breed you own unless we do something to address it. And I don't want to see breeds banned and/or prohibiting dogs from being in more areas so we just have to leave them in the backyard all the time, so we need an alternative solution, one that works and one that puts the onus on the owners.

    Secondly, I want people to be less scared of the targeted breeds. At the moment, when you see a powerful breed most people in the general public feel a bit afraid. They pick up their children, small dogs or try to avoid you completely and with good reason. They have no idea what sort of owner you are or whether you have any control whatsoever over your dog, they only have the information immediately available to them which is that the animal, if it is not controlled and hasn't been raised properly, could be dangerous and could seriously hurt them or their children/dogs. If there were restrictions in place, people would know that when they saw a GSD, Doberman, Rottweiler, bully type, Mastiff etc that the owner is only allowed to keep the dog because they are a competent trainer and the animal is under control and safe to be around. Obviously some breeds are less social than others and these restrictions won't change that. But it will mean that people will need to have a strong understanding of the breed they want to own to be able to get one and they will know how to manage it in society.

    I'm very open to feedback and suggestions, but I want to do something. I think we've ignored this problem for too long and let people who know absolutely nothing about dogs make laws that in most cases just exacerbate the situation, for example by making certain breeds more attractive to people who want dogs for the wrong reasons.

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    What are you going to do about large dogs with multiple breeds in them(i.e no on knows what breeds the dog is)? Maybe we should just ban all dogs over 10kgs?

    I don't disagree with a licensing system but I doubt the govt could make it an effective one, and if they did it should be all dogs, cause I guess it must be just my areea but the big dogs that come to my beach are generally the best behaved dogs there and it the littlev ones you have to watch out for

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    Is a Labrador a powerful dog? Any dog over 15 kg has the potential to harm someone or another dog.

    A licencing system would be very difficult to implement which is why most governments simply ban certain types of breeds. There will always be backyard breeders.

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    Yes sadly it would be very difficult to police if an owner is suitable or not, so they bring in BSL. Enough people prepared to do the wrong thing that spoils it for everyone else.

    I have had my dogs attacked by several big and small dogs. Unfortunately although equally aggressive, the big powerful dogs are by far the most dangerous. I too have had to throw my dog over a fence and a very big burly young bloke came to my aid in dealing with a large muscular un neutered male rottie intent on savaging my dog. That was very scary, the darn thing was bigger than me and all muscle. Friends have had their toy poodle and papillon dogs killed by a rottie and a GSD both too big and strong to be controlled by their owners.

    The jack russel that launched a full on attack I just flicked it away with my foot and fended it off with my ball thrower, nasty little beasty but I wasnt afraid of it, same with an aggressive kelpie I encountered.

    My neighbour inherited a very aggressive staffy when his son dumped it with him - his son had bought it up with him and his mates thinking it was funny and macho to encourage this aggressive behaviour. My neighbour who loves staffys was horrified.
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    The trouble is - when BSL does get implemented - any dog that bites and causes an injury that requires someone to get medical treatment... that breed ends up on the list.

    So in Italy - they banned 95 different kinds of breeds including Dobermans and Rottweilers... and then they realised it wasn't making any difference to the number of nasty dog bites. People either owned dogs illegally or just got the next big strong breed that wasn't on the list.

    You can see that now with people who say they own pitbulls even tho they live in states where pitbulls have been banned for more than one dog life time. They just don't care about the rules.

    I fully agree with making dog owners have licences and that this person should not have one. But how you'd go about getting it revoked I don't know. It's usually not enough that the dog was in "attack mode" but didn't actually get to do anything.

    Did you get the dog's rego or the guy's details? Take a photo of him? After the incident with the jogger (also in Sydney Kellyville area) - the police have had a bit of a rocket put up them about doing nothing to get dangerous dogs out of public parks. The jogger claims she was attacked by two Dobermans on lead but out of control, and someone claiming to be the owner rang a newspaper - said they were greyhounds and "Just playing" even tho the jogger had a massive black eye ripped open needing stitches.

    Police interviewing people at Kellyville sports complex | thetelegraph.com.au

    They haven't implemented dog ownership licences in Victoria but they have implemented BSL and they've started expanding what dogs are "dangerous" just based on their breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    They haven't implemented dog ownership licences in Victoria but they have implemented BSL and they've started expanding what dogs are "dangerous" just based on their breed.
    Sad really for everyone who does the right thing and understands the breeds that they own.

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    BSL destroys families ... i've seen to many loving family pets taken for no good reason what so ever.

    So sorry you had to go through all that 99' and i'm glad you, your partner and poor Sammy where not injured.

    ...but where do we stop. That could have been a GSD , Cattle dog, Mastiff etc etc.

    I would gladly sign up to a well thought out license system ... one that would work. But would it really stop dogs attacking other dogs ?

    Its a dog eat dog world out there.


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    The worst dogs i deal with at work are Blue and Red Heelers and my mothers Shi tzu is also one of the most aggressive dogs i've ever dealt with. The little buggers spilt more human blood than any dog i know of. Where do we start and stop with BSL ??

    BDL ... ban dogs legislation ????

    Sorry 99 Bottles not having a dig at you ... i just cant agree with you on this one mate.


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