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    I met a bloke down our local park - hadn't seen him much. He had an enormous GSD - very nice friendly dog but the owner said "he didn't know much about dogs" so I let Frosty say hello to his dog - but I pretty much avoided them after that. It was clear from what he was doing with his dog - that he was right about not knowing much and I could not see it ending well. Ie the dog was being "punished" with the check chain for being friendly. A lot.

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    I think that if you want to own a breed that has the power (and I would argue inclination in some cases) to harm people or animals
    Any dog over 15 kgs has the power to harm another animal or person. That includes friendly looking dogs like golden retrievers, labs, big terriers and spaniels (dalmatians, huskys etc.) The reason why those dogs do not top the dog bite list is because people who own that type of dog want to and go to the effort to raise them to be well mannered and behaved. Many of the people who buy a 'dangerous' breed of dog do so the same reason some women shove tiny dogs into their handbags - as a fashion accessory or status symbol. They don't go to any lengths to learn about dogs or how to raise them and so they grow into dangerous and unstable animals - and i want to add again, this can happen for any dog over 15kg.

    No-one seems to have any ideas, only criticisms.
    It's not a criticism. The reality is that it would be too difficult and too expensive and it won't be very effective. It's not like car licences where everybody owns a car - since there are so many cars on the road we have to to do something or else there will be chaos - and you can go to any third world country if you want to see evidence of that.

    It would probably be easier to implement some kind of licencing system for breeders. It would be easier for the government to police and it will reduce the amount of unwanted puppies. It would then be the breeders responsibility to sell their puppies to responsible owners. If the dog bites someone then the breeder and the owner will be held accountable - people then won't be breeding bags of puppies for the purpose of making money. Backyard breeding is always going to happen though.

    the owner is only allowed to keep the dog because they are a competent trainer and the animal is under control and safe to be around - or even just over a particular weight limit, you would have been assessed
    by who? have you noticed how people criticise cesar milan? they don't like his style of handling dogs but that is kind of the point: by what criteria are you going to make to know whether someone is fit to own a large dog (again, any large dog)? Everyone rears their pets slightly differently, even dog trainers. Most can be considered good or responsible owners but not everybody agrees with each other.

    the people who are making those assessments also need to be paid - by who? If they're not being paid, whoever they are, guess what? Free dog ownership licences for everybody - or - dog licenses for anyone willing to pay a price. Ruins the point and also brings up the other point about how difficult something like this is.

    There's a fishing license I need to get if I want to go fishing - apparently the government thinks that people with a fishing rod and a little bit of bait are a threat to worldwide fish populations. Really?

    I want a solution that could work for everyone and that will actually eventually be effective
    that would be nice but its not going to happen unless everybody gets a dog and the government decides its worthwhile to invest its resources in some kind of dog owner licencing system ie. it will cost them less in the long run to implement. Imagine people driving without a license - the roads will clog up and Sydney will crawl to a standstill. No one will be able to get to their jobs and millions of dollars will be lost.

    If everyone or even 2 out of 3 households owned a large and powerful breed of dog, many of them will be irresponsible and there will be dog attacks happening everywhere, people will be suing each other non stop and nobody will be able to walk down the street without fearing for their lives - then the government might do something. But right now that does not happen.

    BSL is kind of a cheap alternative but it is completely unfair to dog owners and cruel to the dogs themselves. It's ineffective and depending on the law it can result in heartbreak for people who are otherwise doing the right thing. BSL also introduces a kind of stigma which is a nuisance.

    99bottles, where do you go to walk your dog and why do you think does he keep getting attacked? Your dog isn't exactly a small yap yap right? Where do all these suicidal staffies come from? Have you got pics of your dog?
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    99bottles, where do you go to walk your dog and why do you think does he keep getting attacked? Your dog isn't exactly a small yap yap right? Where do all these suicidal staffies come from? Have you got pics of your dog?
    Googles - a lot of badly bred Amstaff / pitbull types are dog aggressive - they see another dog - they want to attack it.

    99bottles' dog is tall and easy to spot from a distance. Pretty sure a dog like the one described in the first post would attack any dog it saw. And the owner said the same to 99bottles.

    Finally the owner starts to arrive, he is now profusely apologetic and explaining that he didn't know anyone else was going to come onto this field and that he's fine with people, just not other dogs

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    yeah but i still want to see a pic. sounds like a cool dog.

    and i know there are dog reactive dogs.

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    The sensible outcome is either license every dog owner or license none, doing on a breed/size basis won't stop a jack russel ripping a baby to bits

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    We dont need licensing we need to stop perpetuating bad temperament dogs through rescues and shitty breeders - and call me a horrible person but too many dogs with awful temperaments are being rescued and rehomed into society. This no kill policy thing going around is a bad idea to be very frank. And we also need to be realistic about dog training. There's too much of a fad for hands off positive training and frankly look at the lovely mess we're in. Also puppy preschools need to be thrown out the window and get dogs into REAL training scenarios while they're puppies and under good, solid trainers who understand the breeds.

    I do a lot of mopping up work and I can tell you it's more about lack of decent realistic training available to people these days and BS spun by puppy preschools then it is about the breeds. Majority of my dog school is big powerful dogs and I take in dogs that others have not trained or socialised properly. It can be turned around and owners are made well aware what their responsibilities are. I show them a couple of my own dogs and they wake up fast. We're losing grip on reality with dogs and BSL is far from the answer.
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    goggles - hope you meant 99bottles' dog sounds like a really cool dog. The attacking dog sounds horrible and the only reason I'd want a pic is to use it to report the owner/walker.

    I might be able to find a pic of Sammy doing lure coursing on the "outside" track at Virgina from a couple of years ago.

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    of course I meant 99bottles' dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    We dont need licensing we need to stop perpetuating bad temperament dogs through rescues and shitty breeders - and call me a horrible person but too many dogs with awful temperaments are being rescued and rehomed into society. This no kill policy thing going around is a bad idea to be very frank. And we also need to be realistic about dog training. There's too much of a fad for hands off positive training and frankly look at the lovely mess we're in. Also puppy preschools need to be thrown out the window and get dogs into REAL training scenarios while they're puppies and under good, solid trainers who understand the breeds.

    I do a lot of mopping up work and I can tell you it's more about lack of decent realistic training available to people these days and BS spun by puppy preschools then it is about the breeds. Majority of my dog school is big powerful dogs and I take in dogs that others have not trained or socialised properly. It can be turned around and owners are made well aware what their responsibilities are. I show them a couple of my own dogs and they wake up fast. We're losing grip on reality with dogs and BSL is far from the answer.

    Puppy preschool isnt there to replace proper training .... its more about training the humans how to deal with their new pup food wise and very basic training, toilet training, seperation anxiety, basic socializing etc etc. Its better than nothing at all like most people choose to do.

    Look at it as exactly the same as childrens preschool .... it's a great way to teach the kids the very basics before primary school starts.

    Nothing wrong with it all and "throwing it out the window" would achieve sweet F all except maybe make more money for those that run their own training schools.


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    Ok goggles.

    Not sure these pics give you any idea - but its a tall Doberman looking dog but solid like a rottie. In these pics he's doing stuff that greyhounds do...


    just to show he does have ears and a tail - had to crop this pic a lot - he's actually running adjacent the actual lure course with two other dogs and the lure - except in this lane he has to jump the fence support wires that go out laterally across his path (branch marks the wire).

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