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    Sounds awful Shane'o.
    sounds also like your spending a LOT of energy, on things you have no control over.
    Suck it up. It'll be less stressful for all.

    A 6ft high, by ? long tennis court type fence enclosure can be purchased on line, in kit form and delivered. Or, DIY, take a look at the designs on line, and copy it.
    collars are dirt cheap. if you make a sheath to go over a ordinary collar.
    And your dog can go in/out, providing when its 'out' it can get beyond the secure enclosure.

    I think a dog that lives rurally, and has attacked livestock is dangerous, until its managed by fences or a gun

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    I think you can make a deal with the council that they come and inspect your backyard, check fencing etc and make provisions if you are out there with the dogs playing etc they are fine. When you are not in the backyard they are in the dog run or in the house with you. Yes they must be muzzled when walked, no biggy dogs can learn to wear a muzzle fine.
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    Yes I think I need to let it go for the moment its doing my head in, snow comes home tomorrow need to focus on her and makeup for lost time. By the way iv'e uploaded some pics on my profile page ,she's not a nasty dog in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I think a dog that lives rurally, and has attacked livestock is dangerous, until its managed by fences or a gun
    I don't disagree with this. I guess I was thinking about normal city based dogs who haven't ever seen livestock. I'm a farm bred kid, I very well remember my dad putting some shotgun pellets into some dogs chasing our sheep one morning, I still don't think the dangerous dog label is right. I know it's the law and is quite correct by the law, I just wonder if there could be a better classification, especially for dogs who are normally housed within the city, with no access to livestock.

    It is without doubt a tough one for the law makes to get right.

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    I think we need a 'dangerous owner' label. Most dogs have some prey drive and the larger ones can really cause some damage if not trained and/or restrained within the premises and so able to roam without supervision.

    Obviously some dogs have more prey drive than others. All I know though is that my dog is no risk to anyone or anything whilst I'm around, but I've no doubt he would happily chase and maybe harm a lamb or something if left to his own devices. I just think the responsibility should fall on the owners - if we choose to own large powerful dogs with high prey drives, we need to be responsible about keeping them safe and making sure they're not a danger to the community. My dog doesn't know any better, he is just following his instincts and being a dog and I love dogs the way they are. So the responsibility and blame would be 100% mine if he did anything bad. Why they continue to punish the dogs when almost all dogs would commit the 'crime' if their owners let them I don't understand.

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    I guess in this instant it is the owner who is being punished because he is now being made to be responsible for his dog with much heavier restrictions. Once your dog is labelled dangerous than there are a lot of hoops that you as the owner has to jump through. This dog is alive and coming home and apart from having to be managed more closely life with her family will continue.

    Some months ago some powerful local town dogs went on a killing spree and mauled hundreds of sheep on a local farm. It was horrible, they laid waste to an entire flock and the farmer had to go out and shoot nearly all of them, ewes and lambs that lay dying and mauled. It was a complete bloodbath.

    When the farmer picked the dogs up he told me that they were totally exhausted and covered in blood. He handed them to the ranger and they were destroyed as the owners had no intention of managing them. The farmer actually didnt blame the dogs at all, but he was furious at the owners. Yes it was the dogs that payed the price this time round. The owners were dispicable. In their hands they were potentially highly dangerous.

    I agree that most dogs will be stimulated to chase prey animals, its what they are, predators.
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    There are a lot of risks to dogs in rural areas and even some urban areas.

    In the country, I'm always paranoid about baits for foxes and rats, snakes, livestock, wandering dogs (rural people seem to be more slack about this strangely enough), fast cars, trains, farmers with guns...

    There are so many ways a dog can get into trouble. There's nearly as many ways a dog can get into trouble in the city.

    So letting a dog wander off while you're paying attention to something else is trouble. The punishment of "dangerous dog" seems excessive - if the person looking after the dogs thought about the kind of trouble they could get into in a very short time, he would have made sure they were secured so they couldn't wander off while he was busy.

    And there was no second chance for the alpaca and there would have been no second chance if the dogs had eaten rat bait or been bitten by snakes.

    It's one reason why I keep a crate in my car. I can always set it up in some shade and put her in there and know she's safe as I can manage and she knows I will come back to her crate she doesn't need to go find me.

    I guess I could tie her to the car but that won't keep her safe from people and snakes and flies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    In the country, I'm always paranoid about baits for foxes and rats, snakes, livestock, wandering dogs (rural people seem to be more slack about this strangely enough), fast cars, trains, farmers with guns...
    Where I am this is not so much the case anymore. There was a problem with town dogs but the shire came down really really hard so it has become much less of a problem. Poison baits and guns soon take care of any loose dogs round here. Most working dogs are pretty valuable and very rarely does one go missing. Like you I am definitely a bit paranoid so take extra care with my dogs. I also have my own livestock to think of.

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    what do you people think of a dog attacking another dog, cat or possum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shane'o View Post
    Yes I think I need to let it go for the moment its doing my head in, snow comes home tomorrow need to focus on her and makeup for lost time. By the way iv'e uploaded some pics on my profile page ,she's not a nasty dog in any way.
    Is Snow home now ? How is she ?

    I thought you were going to let things go for a moment ? But I have to ask - why do you pose another question in another post ?

    Shane'o - what do you people think of a dog attacking another dog, cat or possum?
    Short answer - dogs should not attack or be able to attack another dog, cat or possum ! Really very simple !

    It is all about management and training of your dogs !


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