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Thread: Pitbull with extremely short fur, and getting bald patches... Please Help!!

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    Talking Pitbull with extremely short fur, and getting bald patches... Please Help!!

    Hi everyone,

    We've a Pitbull with extremely short fur, and she's balding on her temple region area on her face, her snout, hamstring area, groin, belly and under the chin and neck.

    Things We're doing currently are, raw food feeding which includes proportionate to muscle meat, meaty bones, organs, fats and oils. Oils such as coconut oil are being used and a power much similar to Spirulina and super greens which was recommended to us by a canine natropath. Although we live in Alice springs, and it is difficult for them to diagnose just from what we say and photos.

    We have also used eucalyptus oil based product for washing of bedding, and most of the floors are hard tiled, so east to clean there.

    I cannot think of any other symptoms that she may be showing, it's just the lack of fur. The fur she has on her back, on her legs and top of her head is rick in color and a healthy shine. We are willing to give anything a shot!

    Any suggestions or recommendations?

    Many Many Thanks

    Crystal n Jayda!!

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    Welcome to the forum
    What colour is your dog? I have a Blue and tan Kelpie who has very thin hair in various parts of her body, and in summer she does go bald in small areas. She has what is called Colour Dilution Alopecia (CDA). CDA effects any dogs who are of a dilute colour (blue, fawn, etc).
    Here is a link to some info about CDA - Colour Dilution Alopecia - WikiVet
    This is what my dog's hair loss looks like
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    Other than CDA I'm not sure what else it could be, but i'm sure there are others on this forum who will have ideas

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    Have you been to the vet to rule out mites or anything?

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    Your dog needs a skin scraping and pathology samples to rule out deeper tissue infections, mites or fungus. Being a bull breed Demodectic mange, which is an immune problem, can be common particularly around the face. It is different from Sarcoptes/fox mange which is spreadable from dog/fox/wombat etc
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    I'm thinking mange - mites/immune system problems or really bad ring worm - which is a fungus a bit like the one that causes smelly feet and jock itch.

    Both cause all the hair to fall out.

    You can feed a really high quality diet but if some of the ingredients are things your dog is allergic to eg the wrong protein - your dog might be fine with fish but allergic to roo - or allergic to beef but fine with roo for example Allergic to coconut?

    And if you feed too much fish oil - you need to supplement vitamin E (I think) because while fish oil is good for a bunch of things (joints etc) it can deplete vitamin E and that will stuff the dog all over - but especially the coat.

    And as the others said - some pitbulls, amstaff and SBT are prone to skin problems.

    There are also environmental causes - eg some grasses cause problems. I've got kikuyu, the local park has kikuyu, and I get a rash if I lie on it with bare skin and my dog does too - she likes to drag her belly across it because that feels good right then but later she's an itchy mess.

    And we used to wash our family dogs down with Malathion to get rid of mites out of the grass after a run in our local parklands.

    And there's bug allergies to bites - mozzie bites, tick bites (even bush ticks), flea bites, sand fly bites, midge bites, bot fly bites, horse fly bites etc etc.

    It's probably not "hot spots" because those mostly occur in hot humid areas (wet tropics) and look totally gross (weeping sores).

    So please take your dog to the vet. And get some diagnostic tests.
    First for demodectic mange
    and for ring worm (fluoressing under UV means probably yes, but no fluoressing means you need to get a skin scraping testsed because it doesn't always)
    and then for food and environmental allergies.

    make a plan with your vet to find out what the problem is. Don't rely on photos to the Naturopath - that's clearly not working. I'd consider getting a different naturopath too. Maybe one with vet qualifications. Ie in Adelaide there are few "wholistic vets" who have all the training for diagnosing problems and taking blood and skin samples for testing, but also have all the training in natural therapies and diet.

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    Thanks very much. ThIs info is very helpful, and especially interesting about the Colour Dilution Alopecia (CDA)
    Jayda is mostly white with light brown patches. I's hard to know if she's the same thing as her hair all over has been quite short, but yes the bald patches for sure are just skin. As her fur is so short it's hard to tell of the texture, all we can tell is that her fur on her back and back of the neck is glossy and has a nice shine to it. We've a really good Vet hospital here, just unfortunate that it's super expensive. And last time we went to the vet about this, they were getting a little short with us, althogh we didn't know precisely what we could be asking for. This CDA gives us something to keep in mind and work with when speaking to the vet. Thanks very much

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    Hi Jadielee87

    Yes We've been to the Vets (only just a few days ago), although we got more personal help from a wildlife carer. Nothing against out Vet hospital, but it's insanely expensive, and we often come out with the same answer, meaning add oils in her diet and buy their specialty food. Both the vets and the carer didn't see any inflammation or redness, and Jayda hasn't been itching, but we treated her with the shampoos anyway. We try not to bath her too much, as we gather she needs the oils from her skin to help nourish the skin and get some fur growing.

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    Hi Hiacinth,

    Wow, thanks so much! We will be reading this through again to digest it further. The Vet and our mate wildlife carer both agree it's not mites or mange (although I guess for a true test for mange they would also need to do a skin crape, but they didn't think it was necessary? As they didn't say anything about skin scraping). Our Wild life carer mate suggested we test her for allergies to the grass, as it's mostly on her bum, underside, groin, armpits and under neck. I have looked into the hormonal only briefly when we started getting more concerned about this, so will dive deep into this again It's great you've given us some examples of some testing we can do, and it helps us so much in relation to conveying info to the vets.

    We're lucky we don't get the fleas out here, but we do get the mozzies on occasions near our vegie patch. Although there's no redness or inflammation to speak of. If it is some kind of fly bites, it will be interesting when winter hits to see if this problem is still going? I suppose the other thing it could be allegories to is the park grass.

    We've asked, (without really knowing much about it) for tests, and it's usually not taken seriously. This sounds really bad, but the vets are really good. It's just they see a lot of the mange,mites and other things from our community dogs. So it would be easy to think that Jayda doesn't have this. Perhaps also we've been too mis-informed when going in to see the vets. Perhaps now we can relate more and more specific.

    Thanks again, it's very much appreciated

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    Hi Nekhbet,

    Thanks very much! We will definitely be getting a scrapping now if we can. Surprised it hasn't really been discussed at the vets tho. But now we've a few alternatives and ideas of what it could be, (thanks to what your mentioned above) and I believe it will help us help the vets, now we know more about what we're asking about.

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    I just realised I was pressing the reply button and not the reply to thread :/

    Thank you all very much, keep the suggestions coming if you have them tho. As we said before, we'll give anything a shot. We're going to be more specific (politely of course) to the Vets, and make a plan. Thanks very much again

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