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    Wink Should Crossbreeds (and breeders) be discriminated with higher registration costs?

    Well i'm going to raise a slightly controversial question...
    Racism... in the dog world cross breeds seem to be looked down on like people of a different skin back in the days.
    A lot of councils have different set of rules than pure breeds...
    Example - some councils have rules that if a dog is not "pure" with papers then it must be desexed or you are unable to register them , and most if not all dog trials or sports an Entire cross breed can't compete unless desexed.
    by definition All dogs have to be desexed , because as proven by science, the only true pure breed, is the Wolf and all dogs are cross breeds descendants of the wolf.
    So there for.. the kennel councils are apparently God to say what is pure and what is not.... when in fact they all are cross breeds..

    this should be fun... let the flaming commence..

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    I don't mind cross breed dogs, it annoys me when people label them as pure breeds though, eg. Labradoodle, Cavoodle etc
    Unless its a rescue dog that just i just fell in love with (which happened once when i did work experience at a shelter, but with Koda, adopting him wasn't an option ) I probably wouldn't choose to own a cross breed. Mostly because the there are a lot of pure breeds that i really like, but there aren't many cross breeds that catch my attention. But i don't see any reason that they should be looked down on, cross breeds are just as good as any pure bred dog in my opinion. I've known some wonderful cross breed dogs over the years. And if i'm honest, most of the cross breed dogs I know of seem to actually be healthier and more mentally stable in general compared to the pure breeds that came from registered breeders that i know.... I'll probably get slammed for saying this, but I don't mind the breeding of cross breed dogs as long as the breeder is ethical and responsible.

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    All creatures have a soul and when they are meant to touch our hearts they will.
    the old saying of "being in the right place at the right time" by chance to meet someone you are suppose to even if your path's never cross again.
    sometimes the smallest act of kindness in life can mean the world to another. be it human or dog.
    its how the bond of human and dog started. and many have lost sight of this in the form of greed and control and lack of understanding and compassion of where it began.
    Many other animals also form bonds and work with other animals for a greater purpose , humans are the only ones to exploit these bonds abuse to there own means.

    the fact that a lot of pure bred breeders will bully and shun anyone who dares to cross there delusional y sacred "pure breed" with anything other than another pure bred the same...
    well if it wasn't meant to happen. it wouldn't work. there i said it...

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    I think some of the double standards from councils and state governments when it comes to mixed breeds or unpedigreed dogs is because the ANKC is quite a powerful lobby group preserving its own.

    The ANKC promises a more healthy better behaved dog that has owners that are less likely to dump it. And they might be right. The impulse purchase from the pet shop or internet ad often has a hard life because it belongs to people who don't do their research, and act without thinking things through. Or a person who can't say no or set boundaries - and they shouldn't own a dog either.

    I'd like to see dog owners have to pass an ownership test - like car drivers have to pass a licence test. Theory at least - before they get to buy a dog. And a second test before they're allowed to breed dogs. Just so they have to think through what they're doing and they can't say "I don't know how to look after my dog or where to get help doing that".

    It would be nice if parents of humans had to pass a basic test too but most mums get 9 months to think about what they're going to do - which is a start. They can't walk into a shop - look into some big brown eyes and five minutes later - walk out with a human baby.
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    the flaw in a licence type system leaves room open for corruption.
    because would be gov controlled... more than enough dog breeders who been around a long time have there finger in that pie...
    controlling and defining who owns and who can't could be abused by people in-charge over others they dislike based on bias and non-impartial standing.
    honestly i only know one person who would fit something like that, and i know a lot of people.

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    I have just been looking through lots of dogs in rescue to find an older dog for my mother who has recently lost one of her old dogs. I was stunned at the number of young crossbred dogs available. The majority of then seem to be staffy crosses. Rescue seems to be overflowing with them, most of them rescued from pounds and euthanaisia. I found very few pedigree dogs.

    I dont know what this means in the scheme of things but there are so many dumped crossbreds. Where are the breeders of these dogs and why are'nt they held acountable for these poor dumped dogs.

    I have dogs on the main, limited, sporting and associate registers of the ANKC. My sporting registered dogs dont have to be sterilised as they are on working registers. Working registers dont give a dam if they are crosses of herding dogs as they make an assessment based on herding instincts, ANKC recognises this and there are plenty of crossbred herding dogs on the sporting registers. Yes ANKC associate dogs need to be sterilised that is in keeping with their code. I havent yet had a council that insists a dog without papers be sterilised. You just pay extra to licence them.

    I dont think crossbred dogs are more healthy or better than an ethically bred pedigree dog. By far the biggest genetic problems I have seen is in unscreened crossbreds and purebreds. The better your genetic records are and the more time you spend really understanding the art of breeding dogs the less likely you are to have problems regardless of breed or cross thereof. Same goes with livestock. The best producing flocks are those that have significant testing associated with them rather than random breeding.
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    I have a cross breed. Pohm, her mum was a Dogue de bordeaux and dad a rottie. I have a dogue with rottie markings.
    She has the rottie brain thank god! the tighter lips so less drool, hip dysplagia, torn CL as the dogue is too heavy for the rottie frame she has.
    Temperament wise, she's what used to be called a Nanny dog. She lurves young things, puppies, babies, ducklings. Her job is to sit right by it (dogue trait) and gaurd it, a mixed trait.

    I wholeheartedly approve of cross bred dogs. I am not convinced so far, that any countries kennel club has been of benefit to a breed yet.
    Let nature decide if its viable i echo, coz man sure as heck ****s things up BAD

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I have a cross breed. Pohm, her mum was a Dogue de bordeaux and dad a rottie. I have a dogue with rottie markings.
    She has the rottie brain thank god! the tighter lips so less drool, hip dysplagia, torn CL as the dogue is too heavy for the rottie frame she has.
    Temperament wise, she's what used to be called a Nanny dog. She lurves young things, puppies, babies, ducklings. Her job is to sit right by it (dogue trait) and gaurd it, a mixed trait.

    I wholeheartedly approve of cross bred dogs. I am not convinced so far, that any countries kennel club has been of benefit to a breed yet.
    Let nature decide if its viable i echo, coz man sure as heck ****s things up BAD
    Bernie not entirely sure why you approve having said your dog has hip dysplasia and a torn CL because the dogue is too heavy for her rottie frame? Am I missing something in the interpretation?

    Most of my dogs are working bred so there could possibly have been infusions of other working breds to capture specific herding traits, but their breeders take the trouble to screen for HD and other common genetic disorders regardless if the mating is say a BC with a splash of kelpie. I think it is really important to select good structures and to match appropriate temperaments and to understand what might happen if you get the worst of 2 breeds.

    I personally hate it when innapropriate matches are made between breeds. The designer dogs are a case in point, some really bizarre matches.

    Nature has no part in this. The only way nature will play a part is if the dogs are left to the elements to be heavily selected so only the strongest survive - probably result in something resembling a Dingo or Wolf.. The best thing we can do is make sure the selections we make are well matched and we have the information to make those matches.
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    My pup came from a double litter, being carried by a breeder's dogue, where she had 4 pure dogue de bordeaux pups, and 4 dogue x rottie. Next door neighbour had a horny rottie who broke into the pen. A accident. Consequently, nature took its course: HD, CL etc.

    Breeders are obliged to select carefully, to avoid non conformation traits, AND issues. But my concern is today, the same as its been for decades. Sometimes (often) breeders select conformation to a human's idea of perfect. Take molloser breeds. They cant bloody breathe! GSD have been ruined by conformation breeders. So called KC standards, go against what is best for the dog. Id never purchase another rottie, as too many inbred health issues these days.

    Whereas deliberate back yard breeding of working dogs. I have one of these, and i have the perfect working dog. All the instincts i needed, with great bone structure. Id take another of those pups anyday. Whereas id no longer be able to afford a decent GSD were i to pay for this standard.

    $3K to $4k is way too high a price to pay for a working pup. Those i know with working dogs, certainly have not paid this price. Rarely are these dogs papered. Just bred by responsible BYB. < that's a oxymoron mostly, but there are certain situations where i do not have an issue with this. Allowing your bitch to have pups, coz you think she'd love to have babies style, is not ok in my book.

    Brian met his potential new wife last week. Costing thousands, she had 4 white paws. Conformation disqualifiers. Yet they still paid thousands, the breeder still sold the pup to them. Whilst i have NEVER bred a dog, i grew up in a family that bred gun dogs, and hunting fox hounds. And there is no way, that these dogs cost thousands to breed. Why charge that? Market forces, because you can. If your dog cant be delivered of its pups, due to human interferance on head sizes, and is likely to require a C section to be delivered. then stop breeding them. Listen to nature. < this is what i mean by letting natural course of nature to prevail. If white dogs are known to be likely deaf or blind, listen to nature and dont breed etc

    Dog breeding, in a ethical, moral, personal pet who is loved, cared for before, during and forever after, who has her first litter after 2yrs, and her last and second litter before 5yrs, is what id be searching for. Its not the norm. That is a sad fact.
    Last week on here, there was a thread about a ex breeding bitch. Dumped by professional breeder when no longer making them money. < that's not ethical.
    Glad that someone with a moral compass took her away from the cold callous professional breeder.


    There are great breeders out there. Who do the right thing. And boy, am i grateful that there are. Just that they are rare. And MUST dance to the tune of the KC, not what is best for the dog. We go for looks, rather than this. We select what we like visually, and are willing to accept that the breed is being buggered by such careful selection.

    Its a huge hot potatoe breeding.
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    I don't understand what the appeal of having a dog that looks really great but is a mess on the inside. Inbreeding or linebreeding or whatever its called is something that should never happen but too often does.

    We have preconceived notions of how a pug or a german shepherd is supposed to look but really it's just some writing on a bit of paper. A dog that can't give birth to its own pups? That's ridiculous. If you look at the hind legs of some show german shepherds now, they're all for the "roached" back thing and it looks hideous. The German Shepherd was bred originally as a working dog and a dog with a back like that won't be doing very much, I imagine.

    I don't think it is a coincidence that some of what most people generally recognise as the most beautiful dogs are spitz type dogs eg. Akita, Samoyed, huskys, or dogs that look like a spitz eg. german shepherd. Pugs and bulldogs are cute as well, but they are thought of as cute in a really ugly way - which for some people including me makes them even more cute. The most beautiful dogs on the planet are the original ones - wolves - completely free from any human tinkering.

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