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    So if he looked more Dobe, it would give me the right to breed him?

    I'm sorry for what happened with your Dobe, you just hear far too many stories of health problems with Dobermanns I think perhaps I was in a similar position to you. I loved the breed (certain examples at least, not really any of the ones in Australia) and I wanted to have one in my life. I visited so many breeders, I even stayed with a couple. I had always planned on getting a Dobermann as soon as I knew that I could afford one and always have a home for one. I was fortunate that this happened to me fairly young but it wasn't for another 4+ years after that until I got my dog.

    He's not a pure Dobermann and I would never pretend otherwise, I think the difference is my view has changed and I no longer think that's a bad thing.

    My views are subjective of course, like you said, everyone thinks their dog is great and that's the way it's supposed to be. But I'm not the only one who has assessed him and formed these views. In fact, in his 4.5 years (and this is a dog who gets around and has met and trained with a lot of people), I haven't met anyone who felt otherwise. They've had their fair share of things to say about me as a trainer and I've had a lot to learn, but they've always admired Sammy. I am someone who is very interested in the opinions of others, of just about everyone in fact because I can be better than what's possible for a single person if I have the input from many. I don't really make decisions by myself. So one of the reasons I'm so confident in my position in regards to considering breeding Sammy is that the thought didn't come from me, it didn't even come from just one source.

    I'm not a dog breeder and I don't want to be. I have a full time job and I would never want more than 2 dogs at an absolute maximum. I want other people to breed the dogs I want. But they don't, or maybe what I want is asking too much, or not what other people want? I don't know. There is no registration body that tests for the things I value. Breeders put all over the websites, oh our dogs are intelligent and you ask them, oh what do you do with them, where do they excel? Or breeders who try to justify the problems their dogs have, like one who told me it was just that because she wasn't breeding small dogs, it was normal for their cruciate ligaments to go. And they're like, oh don't worry, it doesn't happen to all of them...

    And as for homing their dogs properly - 2 girls showed up in a park near my old house in Dover Heights (in case you want to go look for him) a few weeks ago with a giant male Dobermann. I asked where they'd gotten him from and they told me, same breeder who lost some of her fingers to one of her dogs during a training session. Anyway, they have no control over this dog. Every time someone walks past he rushes up and bails them at the fence. They call and laugh but I didn't find it funny, the people on the other side were probably terrified. They ask me how I got Sammy to be so obedient. They ask if I can let Sammy 'sort him out a bit' so he's less dominant and listens to them. I ask, why did you get a Dobermann? Girl responds, oh I wanted a Cavoodle, but my Dad had Dobermanns when he was growing up so I decided on this one instead. They were completely enthralled with Sammy, I don't think they'd ever seen a dog sit or lie down on command before - which is the kind of the thing I hate - where people think complete disobedience is the norm. And they're like, oh when he gets a bit older will he be like that as well?

    The dog was only 7 months old but I told them they needed a professional to get involved now. They explained they'd been kicked out of puppy school because he had attacked the trainer. They laughed and said he really doesn't like being told what to do. There's no way I would give a large dog to these girls, I half wanted to take their off them before he seriously hurt somebody.
    But this lady is a registered breeder with the ANKC, her dogs are pure and she meets all of their standards to my knowledge. Is she an ethical, responsible breeder?
    Last edited by 99bottles; 06-12-2014 at 12:27 PM.

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    Then just what does give a person the right to breed?

    Considering the need to health test dogs did NOT come from BYBers, they just cop the blame for not understanding things have changed.

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    I think I'm done in this thread as it seems to be going around in circles but in summation...there's nothing wrong with owing pure or cross breed dogs but it doesn't give people the right to breed them...regardless of how good you think your dog is...especially when the pounds and shelters are full of dogs which many will never find a loving home.
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    Is it wrong that half way through reading this thread I remembered I needed to make an appointment with my doctor for my contraception injection? LOL

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    So we should all rescue and no-one should breed? We'll run out of dogs

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    ejburke - at least you're planning... not just having accidents.

    I don't think dogman or 99bottles are going to agree.

    Not every dog in a shelter should be rehomed. Many need to be rehomed in particular environments with compatible owners. Pretty sure the only kind of rescue dog that could be at all compatible with what 99bottles wants would be a farm dog fail. But they're nothing like Dobermans.

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    I think that you can breed a dog if you and several others are looking for specific qualities. Within the agility circles people breed their dogs to produce a purpose bred agility dog with the temperament, structure and qualities that make a top dog. There has been some disillusionment with temperament and health of dogs purchased from breeders. So they look at the best dogs, are absolutely scrupulous about health testing and take a lot of time matching for what they want. So far a very effective strategy but in most cases done outside the ANKC sytem generally using working bred dogs.

    The American working BC breeders throw a little spaz at the idea of anyone breeding a BC for anything but working and believe that sporting dogs should come from the working bred dogs that dont work out for herding. Well from experience it doesnt always work that way. There are some very specific qualities you look for in a top agility dog and often the physical training is more rigourous than for herding so any weaknesses are exposed. The American working BC breeders throw a major spaz at Border collies being bred for the show ring and completly despise the "Barbie Collies" and the AKC.

    A lot of the people in the Ring sports also often have little time for AKC bred dogs and will breed outside that system for very specific working traits. I suspect that is where 99 bottles is coming from.

    I guess there will always be passion when it comes to breeding - the American Border Collie wars was born of that.

    I personally dont have a problem if someone has a definite goal in mind that cannot be supplied by other breeders as long as they fully understand what they are wanting to achieve.

    The average punter with limited knowledge is better off finding a good ethical breeder or adopting from rescue. I most certainly dont agree with the random breeding of dogs.

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    I gotta agree with Kalacreek

    I have a friend with a BC that has endless health problems that severely interfere the dogs ability to do any work, but the dog still has the drive to work. It's insane. And it's probably a breeding fault and that was an ANKC dog.

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