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    Thanks for the advice. At the moment I am feeding her outside but she is a little reluctant to sneak past the lounge to get to the outside so I have been taking her there to eat. But your advice made sense and I have moved her food and water to her safe place and she is eating it really well - so thank you for that tip.

    Progress has been steady. The thunder coat seems to be helping with her anxiety and I have been working on her interaction with my eldest child a bit at a time. She is now taking treats off of him and goes to him unprompted for a pat and some attention. She no longer cowers in the garage during the day and has found some nice spots in the garden to explore. So bit by bit she is beginning to trust her new environment. I realise now that it will be a lengthy process but she is more than worth it and we all love her to bits!

    thanks again for the advice and will continue to update this thread

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    It will take time. My mothers ex breeding bitch was the same and mum loved her to bits.

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    I only just found this thread. So sad that this dog was feeling so nervous in her new environment, good on you for taking it slowly though and letting her come out of her shell in her own time, that seems to be just what she needs Glad to hear that she is progressing well, all your effort is going to pay off, you're going to have a wonderful pet when she is feeling settled! I use a Thunder Shirt on my dog Koda to take the edge off his anxiety around men and his over-excited behaviour around dogs - as others have said, it doesn't fix the problem, but it definitely takes the edge off it.

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    Glad she is showing improvement! Must be great to see

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    I was thinking of getting my puppy from them until i called them and got completely put off by their attitude. Reading this thread im so glad i have changed breeder. I feel sorry for their dogs. Glad your dog now has a happy home and is starting to relax.

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    Hi Ados / Adrian

    good to see you making slow progress.

    If you want a little bit of local help - I have seen this trainer recommended often on the forums...
    Kathy Kopellis McLeod
    Dog Training Perth | Western Australia

    And with feeding - if you can hand feed some or all of your dog's food in this first month - that really helps with the all good things come from you - in your dog's head. And if you can feed most of the hand feeding in exchange for some basic tricks - starting with attention on you when you say her name, or "watch me" or "look" - working up to the basics - sit, drop, stay, shake hands etc. And depending how she's settling in if you can work up to touching her neck or collar - start slow and gentle - as close as you can get as long as she stays comfortable. The more you can pair a "collar grab" with good things like food and safety (her safe place) the better. This will make her much more comfortable about being caught by the collar when you need to.

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    Hi Hyacinth,
    I have been doing just that and she does seem to respond positively. Still a long way to go but at least she is happy to be inside taking everything in and only interacting when she wants to.

    As to the breeder, I actually thought they were nice people And to be honest, I actually do think they care about their dogs..but she runs a business and I suppose she can't look after personally all the dogs in her care. I would assume other large breeders would have the same sort of set up. To me, it just would have been important to know what kind of behavioural issues I would have with an ex- breeding dog.

    In the end, I made the final decision and I will doing my best to make the remainder of Serena's time with us a worthwhile one.

    Cheers

    Adrian

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    but she runs a business and I suppose she can't look after personally all the dogs in her care
    This is why most of us on this forum and many of the other dog related forums - think that breeding dogs is not like breeding sheep or cattle and should not be done for business and profit. If it is, then it should be more like a children's hospital. And every critter in her care should be getting enough attention, and she should have enough staff to ensure that and she should be checking on them.

    I also find quite a bit of what they write on their website about how their puppies are is misleading. And for me - a person who is ok with being somewhat dishonest and allowing social animals to grow up in isolation - isn't my idea of a nice person.

    example of misleading - there is a big difference between "pure breed" and "pedigree". ANKC members are not supposed to allow any of their pedigrees to mate with non-pedigree. All pedigree puppies and dogs are supposed to be homed with their papers - listing their ancestry, and they are supposed to be microchipped and wormed and vax (at least as many as can be done up to 8 weeks) etc. So saying all that is included as some sort of bonus - is misleading - it's required by the ANKC code of ethics.

    It's not clear to me from their website that they do any kind of DNA tests to make sure that they avoid preventable long term problems and as best I can tell they offer non-standard SBT like "Blues" which do not meet the ANKC SBT standard ie useless if you want a show dog. And they're prone to problems with their skin. Why would a reputable breeder even offer them?

    So it's really hard to think of them as nice people.

    A real test is if you contact them like you have contacted us and ask for some advice on how to manage your dog. Hopefully they will say much the same as us - "don't force the issue and give her time to settle in and get to know you" but they should have provided that info with her when they sent her over. Or before you agreed to buy her. Sigh. Giving you the impression this dog is used to people and living in home with people is misleading. Even their website shows nice "sanitary" cages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post
    This is why most of us on this forum and many of the other dog related forums - think that breeding dogs is not like breeding sheep or cattle and should not be done for business and profit. If it is, then it should be more like a children's hospital. And every critter in her care should be getting enough attention, and she should have enough staff to ensure that and she should be checking on them.

    I also find quite a bit of what they write on their website about how their puppies are is misleading. And for me - a person who is ok with being somewhat dishonest and allowing social animals to grow up in isolation - isn't my idea of a nice person.

    example of misleading - there is a big difference between "pure breed" and "pedigree". ANKC members are not supposed to allow any of their pedigrees to mate with non-pedigree. All pedigree puppies and dogs are supposed to be homed with their papers - listing their ancestry, and they are supposed to be microchipped and wormed and vax (at least as many as can be done up to 8 weeks) etc. So saying all that is included as some sort of bonus - is misleading - it's required by the ANKC code of ethics.

    It's not clear to me from their website that they do any kind of DNA tests to make sure that they avoid preventable long term problems and as best I can tell they offer non-standard SBT like "Blues" which do not meet the ANKC SBT standard ie useless if you want a show dog. And they're prone to problems with their skin. Why would a reputable breeder even offer them?

    So it's really hard to think of them as nice people.

    A real test is if you contact them like you have contacted us and ask for some advice on how to manage your dog. Hopefully they will say much the same as us - "don't force the issue and give her time to settle in and get to know you" but they should have provided that info with her when they sent her over. Or before you agreed to buy her. Sigh. Giving you the impression this dog is used to people and living in home with people is misleading. Even their website shows nice "sanitary" cages.
    The passion you have for dogs comes through in your response and has given me some food for thought.

    Update : Serena had a little 'accident' (poop) last night on the lounge room tiles. I forgot that she was in the house with all doors locked and all of us asleep. Poor girl must have tried hard to hang on for ages. She is in the garage right now but I have left a door open to the house in case she wants to come in. I still have the Thundershirt on - should I take it off of him now or just leave it on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyacinth View Post

    A real test is if you contact them like you have contacted us and ask for some advice on how to manage your dog.
    Yes that certainly is a test, like Ados I was quite impressed with the website being new to it all it looked impressive. I had many questions about bulldogs as a breed and whether they would make a suitable pet for me. Their website said they were happy to chat even if you weren't quite ready to buy yet so I rang up very excited hoping to get some of my questions answered. What happened was I wasn't allowed to get a word in edgewise and was told 'we don't have any puppies at the moment', I tried to explain I wasn't after a puppy just yet I wanted information, and got told 'we're very busy, can't talk' practically hung up on. I decided right then and there they were not the breeders for me.

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