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    Hi everyone,

    Some of you may have heard of 'Sammy', the Labrador who disappeared on a walk with her family, back in October, in a very large forestry area on the Sunshine Coast. (Facebook page 'Have you seen Sammy?'). They have gone months without any leads but for the last week and a bit there have been quite a few sightings of her still in the forestry. They have found what they believe to be her 'den' and lots of paths in the thick scrub around it. Cameras have been left out, food is left out and eaten daily etc.
    The forestry is very dangerous, extremely thick and dense bush, a lot of snakes, wild dogs etc (probably yetis, ware wolfs and vampires too ) so not really the place to be spending the night camping out and waiting for her to return to her den (which she probably won't if people are around and it's way too dangerous for her owner to be there alone).
    Obviously after this long, Sammy is essentially a wild dog and is proving quite difficult to find in the forestry, let alone catch. Trapping is not an option as it is illegal so they are trying to find a dog tracker in SE QLD who can give them a hand.. Someone with a dog who tracks other dogs. They have tried council, RSPCA, Australia Zoo etc with no luck what so ever so I thought that I would see if anyone on this forum knows someone or can point me in the right direction?

    Thanks!!

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    This is sad and I really feel for these people.

    Some suggestions for you:

    Craig Murray - from this first link is where I would start.

    Canine Training Brisbane, Canine Training Gold Coast, Dog Whisperer

    Dogs Queensland | CCC(Q)

    Dogs Queensland | CCC(Q)

    Tracking - Working Dog Club of Qld

    Also:

    How to find a lost dog.jpg

    Good Luck !

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    Thanks heaps Riley! The first link looks great, I'll have a look at the others now

    They tried leaving clothing, food, bedding etc out when she first went missing but it didn't work. She went missing with a harness on (it doesn't appear to be on anymore) so possible that she got stuck/caught up and couldn't return. They are still leaving clothes out but I think it's been too long now and she's essentially a wild dog
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    Craig and Tracey are excellent ! If they can't help personally - they will definitely suggest someone who can !

    So - yes - they would be my first choice to call.

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    Thanks so much. I've passed the link to the website on to the dogs owner.

    It a very difficult situation, they found an injured, crying, wild dog inside one of Sammy's 'dens' the other day.. She obviously has formed a pack and is caring for this other dog. There are a lot of exits out of the den so impossible to try and catch this wild dog because it will end up escaping, injuring itself further and possibly scare Sammy away from the area.

    It's such a horrible situation for them and definitely pulls at the heart strings!

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    Dogs remember their friends for up to 2 years, maybe longer. So this dog would remember her family.

    If she had any special friend dogs - she would remember them too. It hasn't been that long.

    If she's not following the family's scent out - there maybe some trauma connected to that scent. And most labs I know - even the Houdini ones - will track for a steak in a plastic bag. I knew one who would go around all the schools scavenging lunch scraps...

    leaving food out at a regular time would help... the dogs will learn to anticipate that.

    Hopefully Craig can help.

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    She had a litter of 6 week old puppies when she went missing, they've tried taking the puppies out to see if that attracts her and tried taking the human children out too but no luck.
    Something must've happened to her out there to make her so scared. The forestry is used for a lot of trail biking and 4WDing so it wouldn't surprise me if that's scared her a lot.
    She's staying near the people and taking food that they leave out but runs as soon as anyone tries to approach her.
    Is it possible that if she's formed a pack with wild dogs then she will act like one, avoiding all threats, including humans?

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    Is it possible that if she's formed a pack with wild dogs then she will act like one, avoiding all threats, including humans?
    Erm - the wild dogs and semi feral ones I've met - don't act like that.

    I've had a little circle of dingo pups (near full size dingos) - watch me go to the toilet. As best I could tell from evidence surrounding that particular camp site - the dogs would dig up the human waste and ... there would be toilet paper everywhere afterwards.

    Unfortunately for these dingos - I burned the toilet paper in the hole and put the biggest rock I could move on top of it. So they got nothing. But they certainly weren't the least bit scared of me and I reckon I could have hand fed them and caught them if I wanted to.

    I think - this dog must have had some horrible experience with a human that makes her extremely wary of being caught with one even tho she's still willing to take food from them.

    My dog used to run - ok she still does that - if anyone tries to approach her - but she's fine if she's allowed to fully approach on her own terms. But as soon as the person who wants to do the patting reaches for her before she's decided they're ok - she springs away. And she lives with me. Not at all wild dog with her own dog pack.

    So the dog is never going to be caught by someone who tries to approach her. It's going to involve either getting her used to a big cage trap (putting food in that for about a week with it rigged so it doesn't trip for that week) - and cover the outside of it so it feels like a safe den...

    Or it's going to involve sitting around and waiting - not looking at the dog or moving towards it or moving - just lots of sitting very still. And waiting. Talking amongst yourselves would be ok but not moving. keeping still. and when it's time to go home - announcing that and then moving very slowly and predictably.

    Ideally eventually the dog will come up - from behind - if my dog is anything to go by - lots of sniffing - including in your ears (don't know what the fascination with ears is) - any movement at this point will be a big set back. When the dog feels comfortable she will come round and shove you for a pat. And then under the chin is best with one hand and no hugging... They know what reaching out with two hands means.

    Dogs know what a lead and collar means. My dog would (sometimes still does) run away when she sees me get the lead and collar. Now at least - she runs to the front door and waits for me to put them on. But her favourite game is "chase me" and her least favourite game is "put the collar on".

    So - it's not like a "return to the wild" - it's more like PTSD. Every tiny thing will freak the dog out.

    Something that might work... depending on the nature of the trauma - having a picnic next to your car - after walking in with the food and coming out again - and leave the car door open - the one that the dog normally uses. And maybe a puppy or two in a crate inside the car. My dog will just about jump into anybody's car because she views them as "safe places" but if Sammy doesn't feel that way about cars, it won't work.

    I've camped in places with thick bush, wild dogs, and snakes and I'm more scared of bad people than those. I've had dingos sniff my swag and my tent and I've growled at them and flapped at them to make them rack off. I was scared of my tent/swag being peed on mostly. And snakes have had plenty of opportunity to go in my swag but haven't. Mind you swagging it with no tent was winter time / cold nights. In summer / warm weather, I put the swag inside a mozzie proof tent. Had a few interesting spiders in the swag tho.

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    Wow...so sad.

    Can you give us a link to the FB page Kristy ?

    Just a idea ..probably a dumb one ... but if its taking food why dont they dose some up with something that would put a dog to sleep for a bit ? Might just give them a chance to catch her.

    Man, i'd be so devo'd if one of my goofs disappeared like that.


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    I can't link the group on my phone Sean but if you Facebook search 'Have you seen SAMMY?' You should be able to find it let me know if you can't and I can link when I'm on my computer next. They did think about sedating her but the problem there is it's very risky as they don't know how much the dog weighs anymore so if they underdose she will just be groggy = dangerous for her and if they overdose then it could kill her

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