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    Today I attended a bbq at my husband's aunt and uncle's house. They have a little chihuahua pup that Dex gets along with quite well, so we brought him along with us. I'd forgotten that their son has a little maltese cross thing that was also going to be there(never met this dog before, neither has Dex). Turns out my husband's sister had also brought their dog along (heeler rescue).

    We arrived to swearing and shouting, people in tears and the son tearing off in the car yelling profanities as he left. Needless to say, this was a rather awkward time to arrive.

    This is what had happened just before we arrived:
    The heeler was tied up under the verandah. The chihuahua(male pup) and maltese(also male, and met each other many times before) were contained up on the verandah apparently barking and getting revved up playing and carrying on. Owner of the heeler went down and took the heeler off the chain to play ball with her for a bit. The other 2 were closed in on the verandah with gates. My husband's uncle came through the gate to cook some sausages on the bbq, another person followed him out but left the verandah gate open. The maltese got out through the open gate off the verandah and the heeler ran up to it and bit it. His ear's torn and apparently there's blood everywhere over half the dogs face. I don't really know any more details about what happened since I wasn't there, so no idea on dog's body language or anything.

    The owner of the maltese has obviously freaked right out 'cause their dog is covered in blood and been attacked. The owner of the heeler has freaked out 'cause their dog has attacked someone else's, and there's a bit of heated opinions and finger pointing between the families as to who's dog's at fault and so on as the owner of the maltese is leaving to rush the dog off to the vet and is rather pissed off. This is when we arrived.

    After some people storming out and other people in tears. I spoke to my husband's sister(owner of the heeler) and established that the heeler has never met the maltese before.

    I've met the heeler plenty of times, she's a very timid dog. She's a rescue and it's pretty clear she was abused as a young dog. She's taken years to come out of her shell and even approach people for pats. She's very responsive to being told where to go and leave people alone etc if she's being a bit too pushy for pats or ball throwing. She's never attacked a person or dog before or shows any sign of aggression normally. She can be very excitable and is pretty ball obsessed and has a tonne of energy.

    I tried explaining to my husband's sister (she was pretty distraught and in tears because she never expected her dog to do anything like that) that these dogs had never met before, they were both in a state of high arousal and it was just a bad situation for both dogs to meet. She said she thinks she wants to have her dog put down because of it. I told her not to do that, but I don't know what she's going to decide once she's had time to calm down and think about it.

    I want to say to her if she's going to get her put down, that I'll take the dog because I don't believe she should be put down for that. She's not known to have dog aggression and gets along well with other dogs normally and it wasn't a fair situation to judge her on. Some people in the other family are saying the maltese didn't put itself in her mouth and don't defend the heeler for what it did.

    What are your thoughts? Should this dog be put down, should I take her if they want to do that? Am I putting my own dog at risk if I do?

    I went down to see the heeler after a while and she was looking pretty miserable (I'm guessing she got a pretty big telling off) and I gave her a hug and she was beside herself that someone had come to give her attention. I'd feel sad if they put her down, she's a sweet dog and I am certain that if those dogs were introduced under better circumstances, the outcome would've been different.

    I suspect my husband's sister is considering euthanasia because she has young children, she's shocked, she's upset over the whole thing, she feels terrible that a relative's dog has been hurt because of hers and there's obviously been a bit of disruption and heat between the families over it at the time so I can understand why that's probably an immediate conclusion for her. I suppose I just see it as more of an accident and she shouldn't have to lose her life because of it.
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    Dogs and children and dogs and dogs should be supervised. It was a ridiculous situation and I feel very sorry for the heeler who gets blamed just because they are the bigger dog.
    The owner of the heeler needs to have a think about how they were at fault and not blame the dog for everything. I hope you have a good outcome.

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    Argh - what a cluster fsk...

    I think if the heeler had been mine and I knew she was anxious about parties and new situations - I would not have brought her, or if I had to, I would have left her in the car or a crate where people would not be.

    You can't depend on people at parties to keep the right gates shut. It's usually children that stuff things up - including going into dog run with the pitbull because they want to pat the cute doggy. And they don't ask first because mum and dad have already told them no.

    So it's not the dog's fault.

    Maybe it would have gone better if all the dogs had been properly introduced calmly one by one as they arrived? But that still doesn't rule out the unsupervised toddler that tries to poke the big dog in the eye or stab it in the ear with a pencil.

    I don't think playing ball with a ball obsessed anxious dog in a party environment is a good idea either.

    So should the dog be PTS because of the owner's mistakes? I don't think so but this may also be the completely wrong dog for owners prone to making these kinds of mistakes - they might be better with a dog that's more of a couch potato and laid back.

    She's a rescue and it's pretty clear she was abused as a young dog.
    You think you can tell this from the way a dog behaves - but you can't really. My dog acts like she has been beaten to a pulp any time anyone yells at her or raises a fist. And the worst pain she's suffered since 10 weeks old when I got her, is having her tail stepped on and maybe other dogs that play too rough. And that doesn't stop her from going in the kitchen when she shouldn't or inviting dogs much bigger than her to play. Some dogs are just hyper sensitive and over react - perhaps because they aren't used to angry humans rather than over exposed. Some are just born that way.

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    I agree with what everyone else has said. Why should the dog be at fault for the owners mistakes? My boy Koda is an extremely sensitive and somewhat anxious dog. And there is no way i would bring him into a party environment where i know there will be things that might make him anxious unless i can be 100% sure he will be fine. And brining out an extra stimulant (the ball) to an already anxious or excitable dog in a potentially stressful situation... not good!
    Maybe you could talk to the owner and explain to her what went wrong in that situation and how it could be prevented in the future. But if she does decide she wants the dog PTS, I would hope that you would be able to take the dog, even if you can't keep her forever, you could do some training with her and expose her to different controlled situations to see how she goes and then re-home her yourself.

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    She bit another dog, she didn't maul a child or kill someone's pet... Ears bleed like nothing else, so the amount of blood isn't a good indicator of how vicious the attack was. And I deduct from that, that the Maltese ran up to her, the heeler didn't seek her out to bite her. Maybe she went for the ball? It's not an ideal situation but I don't think it's that big a deal? Definitely one that can be managed fairly easily, I reckon.

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    Fair call on assuming the dog was abused. It would be more accurate to say that she's a sensitive dog.

    I feel bad that everyone's pointed the finger at her. And yes it was a bad situation in general, I was surprised that they had brought her along. I hadn't remembered about the maltese, otherwise I wouldn't have brought Dex either. I was thinking there would only be Dex and the chihuahua, whom he's met several times and they get along well. He's met the heeler as well, but he's a bit intimidated by bigger dogs so I wouldn't leave them unsupervised together, simply because the heeler gets rather excited and I know Dex wouldn't be comfortable. They've met a few times on our property (5 acres) and the heeler has enough space and different things to sniff and space to run that she's not all over Dex and he's a lot more comfortable and relaxed and happy to chase her around then. If I know I won't be with them to supervise I either don't bring Dex or if he happens to be with us, I'll keep him in his crate or keep one inside, the other outside. Other people(family) probably think I'm being overly protective of him, but I know my dog isn't comfortable with a lot of other dogs and I won't put him in that situation unless the dogs are controlled and I'm there to supervise.

    The situation that happened today was an accident, the dogs were separated, but as you say you can't bank on everyone having the common sense to shut the gate or even be thinking about the dogs at all, particularly if they don't own any themselves. In future I think I'll be phoning ahead to make sure I know if any dogs, or which dogs are going to be around when we're taking Dex places. Hopefully her owners can see the situation for what it was and accept that it wasn't a fair situation for their dog to be in.

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    Beloz, from what I was told the heeler was playing ball nearby but in the other direction. The maltese as far as I know didn't go in her direction. I can only assume that the heeler was in an anxious state, had a heap of energy and was in 'chase the moving things' mode. But I really can't say what happened since I wasn't there for the actual situation.

    And yeah, I figured ears would bleed a heck of a lot, so I wasn't surprised when they said there was blood everywhere. It would've just added to the drama/emotion unfortunately.

    I'll do my best to persuade them not to have her put down. I'm sure their kids would be pretty upset if they did too.

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    I'd suggest that if the heeler was serious, the maltese would have more than a bloody ear. No way I'd be putting my dog down over such a minor incedent.

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    I don't think she should be put down. It isn't the dogs fault, aren't ear nicks known to bleed like a bitch as well?

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    I think you are in someone else's business, not your own. And from a fellow 'member of extended families', id recommend you butt out and let those who's business it is, decide for themselves. You're in their business because you care about dogs, so with a great motivation! but still in someone elses business, not your own.

    I think you are over reacting. As i might say 'PTS' in heat of moment when my adrenalin is running high, im all emotional, or crashing from the intense emotion around this scenario. A initial reaction, is not the final reaction, im sure it will water down considerably.

    I think you are assuming much that the dog thinks, when you truly cannot know. (she was beside herself that someone had come to give her attention) < that's perfectly normal social dog behaviour, suggesting the dog has 'bounced back' from whatever telling off it had been given. She had bitten, a telling off is in order.

    I think this BBQ was 50 shades of "how to not introduce dogs", human fault, canine price to pay. Usual currency for dogs that bite IMHO.

    I know the heeler could of done a LOT more damage, had it wanted to. It chose not to. Maltese are notorious for starting fights, but may not of on this occasion, so like you, i have no idea what the triggers were, other than human error.

    I tend to keep a padlock on gates when i have visitors, as my visitors are not trained to shut gates. And no matter how much id like to rely of folks to shut gates, not enter dog pound, they just dont, so i dont abdicate the responsibility to guests. or i do, but to a padlock. They are lovely guests, just not as motivated as i, to keep a Brother in Law from anywhere near my dogs!

    Please dont feel you must take this dog. You are making an emotive rescuer decision, when its probably not required.

    I definately would not put this heeler down if it were my dog. But its not. Its someone elses dog, and someone elses business. I cant rescue every woebegotten mite i come accross, or id be overrun. (more so than i am now lol)

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