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    Fair call Bernie. You're right, at the end of the day it's not my business, it's between the owners of the dogs. I'm not being in her face about it, she's got the time now away from that situation to think about what's happened and make a decision as to what she does with her dog. I would make the suggestion that I can take her dog if she says she still wants to PTS, but again I can't make her hand over the dog, it's up to her. I hope she understands that it wasn't the dog's fault though. I don't know the other people involved that well so they can sort themselves out and hope they don't encourage her to have the dog PTS.

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    I remember when my previous dog once nipped my toddler. I had thoughts of having to pts her too. Until someone calmly said to me: "She nipped her. There's a massive difference between nipping and mauling." And of course they were right. Especially as the dog had nipped her because she pinned her down and my fault because I'd left the room for 30 seconds to grab something. But sometimes it does help to have someone help you rationalise these things. Especially after a hysteric reaction from the other people involved and the pressure that puts on her because they're relatives. So no, it's not your decisions and possibly not your business either. But if there's a chance that you could play a part in preventing a dog being pts for no good reason, it's worth a try in my opinion.

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    It sounds to me like an overreaction in the heat of the moment. If she really goes ahead with it and puts her dog down for such a minor incident she's just looking for an excuse to get rid of it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bernie View Post
    I think you are in someone else's business, not your own. And from a fellow 'member of extended families', id recommend you butt out and let those who's business it is, decide for themselves. You're in their business because you care about dogs, so with a great motivation! but still in someone elses business, not your own.

    I think you are over reacting. As i might say 'PTS' in heat of moment when my adrenalin is running high, im all emotional, or crashing from the intense emotion around this scenario. A initial reaction, is not the final reaction, im sure it will water down considerably.

    I think you are assuming much that the dog thinks, when you truly cannot know. (she was beside herself that someone had come to give her attention) < that's perfectly normal social dog behaviour, suggesting the dog has 'bounced back' from whatever telling off it had been given. She had bitten, a telling off is in order.

    I think this BBQ was 50 shades of "how to not introduce dogs", human fault, canine price to pay. Usual currency for dogs that bite IMHO.

    I know the heeler could of done a LOT more damage, had it wanted to. It chose not to. Maltese are notorious for starting fights, but may not of on this occasion, so like you, i have no idea what the triggers were, other than human error.

    I tend to keep a padlock on gates when i have visitors, as my visitors are not trained to shut gates. And no matter how much id like to rely of folks to shut gates, not enter dog pound, they just dont, so i dont abdicate the responsibility to guests. or i do, but to a padlock. They are lovely guests, just not as motivated as i, to keep a Brother in Law from anywhere near my dogs!

    Please dont feel you must take this dog. You are making an emotive rescuer decision, when its probably not required.

    I definately would not put this heeler down if it were my dog. But its not. Its someone elses dog, and someone elses business. I cant rescue every woebegotten mite i come accross, or id be overrun. (more so than i am now lol)
    Se bolded part. You have proof of this of course. I am not aware of any reliable studies that have been done. :-)

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    I feel very sorry for all involved. Both owners will be traumatised and the smaller dog's injuries may not only be physical.

    The heeler bit the smaller dog and drew blood. Dogs know exactly what they are doing with their bites. As someone else has said if it had wanted to, it could have killed the smaller dog, it chose not to. However it still drew blood and going on Ian Dunbar's levels of dog bites that is a grade 2 bite and in some states the dog could be declared a dangerous dog (I think?).

    I don't believe the heeler should be PTS but I would like to think the owner has learnt something and needs to take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    Hopefully many people have learnt something from the experience. Dogs, food, balls, what a recipe for a disaster.

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    Hard to find the scientific studies on Maltese or SWF and dog socialisation...

    It's also not clear from the description of the event - what happened - which dog approached which other dog and in what manner...

    But I do know that many Maltese and other SWF (small white fluffies) come from puppy mills/farms and are separated from their mother and litter mates too young and don't learn good doggy manners - especially with larger (scarier) dogs. I also know that herding dogs often do not like rude dogs bounding up into their faces. And ball obsessed often guard or defend their ball. And SWF are sometimes mistook for prey by bigger dogs especially ones with a bit of hunter in them that haven't spent a lot of time with SWF.

    So - back to my orginal interpretation - "Cluster Fsk". Many small things going wrong - building to a big mess. Fortunately the Heeler had some bite inhibition and let go without killing the SWF - which it could easily have done. And then - from the description - as best I can tell it was scolded and punished for doing the right thing (letting the SWF go). Which may cause it to blame SWF in the future and go for "get them before they get me". Ie it will associate the SWF with misery and pain - and may not make the correct association or decision about how to avoid SWF pain and misery next time.

    SWF on their part - often have "small dog syndrome" and definitely try to scare off bigger dogs by running at them barking their heads off. And owners often reward this by picking up the SWF and cuddling it...

    So - just a bad thing. Will be up to blackthorn to decide whether to offer some help or advice in what to do about the heeler. I still think the heeler might be in the wrong home given what the owners did that aggravated the problem.

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    I'll stand corrected on the sweeping statement about Maltese breed. Thanks for pointing this out Meredith.
    Im thinking puppy mill genetic blunders

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    My dogs have nicked each other's ears occasionally when playing and it bleeds like an absolute bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nattylou View Post
    My dogs have nicked each other's ears occasionally when playing and it bleeds like an absolute bitch.
    yep, same here. Last one looked like she'd been mauled (she has white neck/chest, massive mess), and it was only a little puncture in her ear.

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    If dog needs rehousing and someone is willing, may be a good outcome, all depends I guess on the owner? They sound naive but not uncaring.

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