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    I know some vets who say 6 months and some who say older like 18 months for a big dog like a Lab or Great dane or a sport dog eg Border collie chosen for agility (or herding).

    And the AWL vets will do it as young as 8 Weeks. And they get very good at working with tiny puppies.

    There are pros and cons to early, medium and late desexing.

    If you want to keep the dog puppy like to some extent - then early before first season is best but there are studies that show you can end up with a dog whose frame is taller and narrower than they would otherwise have been and some think that leads to extra joint problems. Sometimes an early desex can lead to incontinence (in a bitch) when older - but so can a badly done desex or difficulty delivering puppies.

    So you need to decide what kind of dog you want, and what the breeder of that dog or their vet recommends, and what you want to do with your dog, and how much mess in terms of a menstruating bitch you want to deal with.

    If you get a dog from rescue - chances are you won't get a choice. Rescue people are in over their heads with unwanted puppies and do their best to limit the opportunities to make more.

    Here are some links to help confuse you.

    Chapter 2 - Dispelling the Myths about Long-term Side-effects of Early Age Desexing - Department of Environment and Primary Industries

    Early desex and the canine athlete pdf

    Personally - if I get a rescue dog - I will go with the flow. If I choose to get a dog from a breeder - I will negotiate permission to desex at about 18 months old as I think this gets the best balance between bone and muscle strength and avoiding various diseases associated with the dog's sex organs. I'd probably have to manage three heat (messy) cycles.

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    I have medium size working breeds. I used to desex all my dogs at 6 months old. I never had any problems with the health of dogs sterilised at 6 months and my family has had a lot of these dogs and all lived long healthy lives and they were very active and lean and to be honest I really didnt see any structural differences compared to entire animals. I had a couple of sterilised cattle dog bitches with big blocky heads, nothing tall and narrow about them. I wouldnt do it earlier than 6 months though.

    These days I tend to desex the females between 9 months and 14 months. My tendency is to have one heat cycle, but my last bitch got pyometra after her first heat and need an emergency spey to save her life. If I wasnt sure if I could manage a heat cycle I would desex at 8 months.

    My recent boys I waited till they were about 20 months to desex. I know people who have waited and their bitches have got pregnant or their male dogs kept escaping, so it comes down to being able to manage them adequately if you want to wait.
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    Everyone here has given you fantastic advice!
    I really just think it is a personal preference thing. For females I would desex around 8 months-ish (before first heat) and Males i'd desex at 12-18 months.
    My female Kelpie is still entire, but that is simply because she is technically my dad's dog so i don't get say in what happens to her, and also because we live right out of town and no one around us owns dogs. So Dodge can come into heat and stay outside doing whatever she wants on the farm and we have no issues. I got Koda desexed at 11 months. I was going to wait until 12-18 months, but he started acting up and Dodge was due to come in heat so i just decided to get him done then.

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    Thanks guys this is really helpful. I'm leaning towards getting a male and I'd like to have him done before he becomes a terrible teenager, but will definitely take all of that into account and chat with the breeder as well. Really appreciate the advice.

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    Just to re-iterate what others have said here, desexing will not stop him becoming a terrible teenager, training will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhru View Post
    Just to re-iterate what others have said here, desexing will not stop him becoming a terrible teenager, training will.
    Totally! I think if you talk to people with desexed and undesexed teenage dogs, you will find it makes no difference. The opinions on whether it prevents some male dogs from feeling the need to escape and wander are divided. I believe it probably depends a lot on the individual dog so there are no hard and fast rules.

    My female dog was desexed by the rescue org at 14 weeks and she is anything but tall and slender!

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    I'm leaning towards getting a male and I'd like to have him done before he becomes a terrible teenager, but will definitely take all of that into account and chat with the breeder as well.
    It wont stop a thing, training and socialisation will. There is no risk in waiting longer at all, or why desex at all. Don't give in to peer pressure, it's your dog and frankly the old BS of the dog will fight, roam, etc comes down to more how you raise the dog and it's genetic temperament. Most vets push early desexing and damn the consequences. A client of mine is now going back to the same vet that told him that 5 months of age was fine to desex due to problem caused by the desexing, vet told him bad luck despite not giving him both sides of the coin.

    The only time I've advocated young/early desexing is dogs with very oversized testicles and have a hormone problem causing aggressive behavior. That's when you need to weigh up behavior over physical growth, some of these dogs would have had no problems biting very hard as pups and desexing was definitely the answer for them.

    Hormones from the reproductive organs are required during growth and development. I won't desex any dog now until it's fully mature and then only if I have to. There are problems from early desexing, I have several friends with bitches who are now paying for a lifetime of stilboesterol tablets to help their still young and even adolescent dogs with spey incontinence.

    I think we don't realise we're chopping up babies. You're sending the equivalent of an older toddler in to get operated on for your own convenience really. If people think they're going to have that much trouble handling the breed then they need to rethink the breed in general, not desex as an answer to their problems. Majority of my business is desexed dogs by the way.
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    I have known male dogs where desexing has most definitely made all the difference. A friend of mine had an extremely well trained, well socialised and well exercised male Border collie but if there was a scent of a bitch on heat in the air he was totally unstoppable. They had to take their fences up to 7 ft high to keep him in and if one of their kids was not quick enough to close a gate he was off and right near a major highway. They desexed him and it completey stopped this behaviour. We also had a whippet just like this. We lived on a farm and there were a lot of unsterilised bitches in the area. You could tell by the way he acted if one was in season and we had to put him into lockdown or he was gone. We managed this for a number of years untill a visiting child let him out and he was shot. After that we sterilised our boys that followed and they never put one foot off our property and had a lot more freedom. They were much happier for it.

    We had a dog at agility that would often challenge othe male dogs, sterilisation stopped that as well. So I think in some situations it can make a difference.

    I have 2 boys the same age as one was not planned. I decided not to sterilise them but as they grew they started to have major issues with each other which landed the lighter one at the vet several times. They were pretty evenly matched and niether inclined to submit. These are dogs that are well trained and have no problem in any other way and my females can do what they like to them, it was each other they had the problem with. At 20-22 months I desexed them both and to be honest life is so much more peaceful. I still manage them to a certain degree but they can run together, travel in the car in close quarters and the fight to the death scenario has stopped and the squabbles are minor.

    As I have never observed any health problems over the years with sterilisation I am quite comfortable with it. I have only had one bitch with incontinence long before she was speyed, but that was a congenital problem and she has been on propalin which is non hormonal with no side effects since she was 10 weeks old and she is now 5 yo. Iknow speyed dogs are more at risk of this condition but I seemed to have avoided it up to now and most of my dogs have been sterilised bitches.
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    My vet will not desex till 6 months. That's it, full stop. That is when I had Jess and Jodi done. Pretty was booked in as well but came on heat again so we waited. My male is not desexed as he is contained and there is nothing for him to impregnate.

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    Thanks guys, I know that training is important and i'm not desexing just to try and labotomize my dog. I have no problem with desexing and I'm going to get my dog desexed period, the question was when is the right time. I don't want to worry about my dog getting out to roam or other dogs being attracted to the property, I don't want any extra agression causing problems at a dog park. I'm not bowing to peer pressure I actually agree with trainers and vets that it is a good idea to get your dog desexed if you are not going to breed. Personally i'd happily undergo the process myself to make life easier but unlike dogs they won't let humans get their tubes tied unless they have had at least one litter :P

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