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    I have mentioned before I have a friend who keeps breeding litters from her Maltesex Shitzu pair. Sells them with no trouble for $600 - $700, depressing.
    She just told me the poor bitch has had another litter. She is looked after, but heavens there must be some way to say something to make her think!.
    I am totally ignorant about breeding and want to have an informed word with her. How many litters should a bitch have? What is the humane protocol that a normal breeder would follow. I have tried the line of how do you know what happens to them? and what if there are issues? She just says there have been no problems so far!
    She is not a nasty person she just doesn't get it!! She just proudly messaged me to say there are another six just been born. At least one a year and I actually think it is less than that since the last litter. I do not understand why she thinks it is OK.
    There is no point being offensively blunt as it won't stop it and I want to save the poor bitch the next litter and diplomacy will work better anyway.

    I think she actually sees herself as a successful breeder and doesn't see the big or even medium big picture at all.:

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    People like this drive me crazy! I know a couple who's AmStaff bitch is on her second litter for this year! They had trouble selling all of the puppies last time and the litter before that yet they just keep on doing it. I feel so bad for that poor dog

    I think one litter every 2 or so years is reasonable up until they are like 6 or something?

    There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face.

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    The recommendations I've seen vary a bit from breed to breed...

    But 2 yo until about 8yo and not to start after 4yo (increase in disease risk for late starters) and no more than one litter every 18 months.

    Otherwise the dog suffers all sorts of health problems. Does this not-nasty person care for her bitch? Would she be mortified if it got very sick? Because that's the path she's choosing for it. It will get "worn out" and sick.

    01 Breeding Your Dog - VeterinaryPartner.com - a VIN company!
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    Female dogs of any age can die giving birth, and the risk is higher for those who are young or old. She might be a poor mother, too, further damaging the potential of the puppies by giving them a bad start in life. Breeding puts a female dog at risk of death, permanent illness from the stress, and negative changes in temperament.

    National Desexing Network | Benefits of Desexing
    Reduced risk of getting cancer or other diseases of the reproductive organs, such as testicular cancer, prostate cancer/disorders in males, and cystic ovaries, ovarian tumors, acute uterine infections and breast cancer in females, and also other diseases like mammary cancer, perianal tumors and perianal hamias.
    Females can suffer from physical and nutritional exhaustion if continually breeding.
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    Trouble is they haven't lost any puppies and the poor dog seems to breed easily. I haven't seen her for a while but looked healthy last time I did.
    But definitely twice in a year is too much, it does annoy me so much. But if people don't want to know how do you tell them?
    I am seeing her tomorrow so I will have a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farrview View Post
    Trouble is they haven't lost any puppies and the poor dog seems to breed easily. I haven't seen her for a while but looked healthy last time I did.
    But definitely twice in a year is too much, it does annoy me so much. But if people don't want to know how do you tell them?
    I am seeing her tomorrow so I will have a go.
    Ask her what her vet's opinion is on the issue of this particular bitch being bred so often. If the poor bitch doesn't get to see a vet, I think you've got Buckley's of getting the owner to change. If the vet sees the bitch regularly at least that's something...but yes, some people see pets as money-making schemes and while ever people buy off these backyarders, it will keep on happening. And how does this person KNOW there have been no issues with any of the pups? Does she check all the pounds and vets every day to ensure none of them have wandered or been dumped? And I also wonder how many of the pups she has bred have now become breeding animals themselves? Sigh.

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    Fairview

    It might be all good now but inside that dog is wearing out and by breeding over and over - it's like running a car and never putting new oil (any oil) in it. Fine until it breaks. And every time she does this she increases the chance of her dog getting really sick and breaking. Not to mention her chance of successfully delivering puppies goes down. There's a reason the ANKC set limits on breeding frequency and age.

    Dogs aren't exactly like humans but surely she understands the problems with older women breeding - they have more chance of having downs syndrome babies and other problems and also major pregnancy complications and the older they get the slower they heal up (inside and out).

    Ask her who she would believe and get them to tell her.

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    I am sure you will be able to tell from the Bitch's body language and physical
    look if her body will not be able to cope anymore.

    but geez what a Mill
    m<(o.o)>m

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    Hi Farrview,

    Maybe you could show her Nevs thread about the poor old GSD who spent a lifetime pumping out the pups.....i'm sure her dog would be better treated than this old girl Delilah but make her see the effects constant breeding has on a animal. Good luck mate.
    http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-d...ahs-story.html


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    Well I tried. I asked about the puppies and said surely it was a bit soon for another litter. (This is after hearing how the dog was in labour for hours) She sat with her while she had the pups and thinks that is being caring. I sat with a friend having a baby but never considered I was doing any of the hard work!!
    She said "she comes on heat every 6 months!"
    I was blunt and said they should have no more than one litter in 18 months.
    Her response "Oh she's a good little Mum very calm and good with the pups, we won't do 'too many more' and then she will be sterilised!!!!!!!!!"
    ARghhhhhhhhhhhh
    I won't say I give up but I am not getting anywhere.
    Sorry needed a rant

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    Must be so frustrating for you farrview, I feel for you (and the poor mother dog of course).

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