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    If she's ever had children of her own she will know what pain it is.

    Tell her the dog has no choice in the process and labour. Domestic dogs come on heat more often then wild dogs due to resources and breeding but that does not mean the dog required breeding every heat. It depletes the body of calcium and other vital building blocks as she's basically a vessel feeding pups constantly. She's being worn out and her risk of complications is going through the roof the more she has.

    Frankly if it was my friend I would tell her she's an effing idiot and she's killing her dog. Unfortunately she seems to love the money more then the dog, I'd tell her that too. I wouldn't bother with the vet, some think it's a perfectly fine idea to keep breeding a dog that often.

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    It also sounds like she is anthropomorphising quite a bit there, with her saying she's such a good little mother. Dogs don't have a wish to have pups. And even if they dutifully look after them, that doesn't mean they actually enjoy doing this. I remember I once got very upset because my housemate gave away the remaining pup from an accidental litter after she had told me that she planned to keep it. I thought the mother - a 6yo jrt - would mourn over the loss of her last pup. I was proven very wrong when I went to greet the dog that day and she was totally ecstatic. Clearly so very happy that she didn't have to share my dog's and her humans' attention with her pesky pup nor would have to put up with being nipped and jumped on by the pup all the time.

    This jrt also nearly died during labour. Not sure if her ruptured uterus was related to the fact that she was given up on by a farmer who used her as a breeding dog because she developed a severe calcium deficiency. It's all good and well to say that the dog is doing well, but it is quite cruel not to think beyond the next litter as it is logical that it could seriously shorten the dog's life.

    Anywho, some people just don't want to listen no matter what you say. I hope for the dog that you'll never have to tell you "told you so"...

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    Calcium is required for nerve and muscle function. A lack of calcium can mean weakened bones, bad nerve reflexes and worst case scenario a dead dog with a motherless litter.

    Some people don't want to see the truth because it's too hard. It's nice to create a lovely fantasy world. If she did things properly, gave half a rats about the long term health of the pups and offered a health guarentee she wouldn't bother. Friend of my mums has a fluffy x pup, it's had a cherry eye operation but developed an allergy to the sutures, so after weeks of eye infections it needs multiple operations to work out the problem - how to stop the cherry eye and how to ensure the dog doesnt lose the eyeballs long term from irritations. This is going to cost thousands. Does the breeder care? Nope. She made her money.

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    Would this friend be outraged if there was a woman who was forced to have sex from her first period, and was always pregnant? And then the woman dies in child birth, but for the previous 18 children she was "such a good mother"?

    Sometimes you tell something to someone and it takes them a few weeks of thinking about it to absorb the idea and then come back to you as if it was their very own idea.

    I don't know if I could be friends with someone like this who was so pig headed about being cruel. I have a hard enough time with people who are ok with screwing the planet to death...

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    I'm pretty sure I couldn't maintain a friendship with someone who exploits any animal in this way. If she's as naive and/or greedy as she sounds, I don't think she'll listen to anything anyone says about the harm she's doing to her pet. Yep, a bitch cycles every six months. A woman cycles monthly - does that mean that every time a woman gives birth, she should conceive again on her next cycle? Nope. Some do. And their babies are relatively healthy. But do they continue to do it? Maybe, if they don't believe in contraception. But does it mean they are healthy women, healthy pregnancies, healthy babies, EVERY TIME? Definitely not. Women used to have a lot of pregnancies, many of which ended in miscarriage and still birth...doesn't make it right though just because it's biologically "possible". A bitch is really no different to a woman in that respect of her body breaking down and being unable to sustain repeated pregnancies and her own life over time. But hey, the bitch is a "good mother" so what does it matter? *sigh*

    Why not show this thread to your friend? It may not make any difference...or it just may save her bitch's life...

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    I hear you and yes it is seriously affecting the friendship. She is stuck in a seventies warp when having puppies was considered OK in many quarters.
    I doubt the friendship can survive my next try at saying something as she will be seriously annoyed. Can't be helped but I would rather help the dog but aggravating her wont. This dilemma alone is affecting my attitude to her. Weirdly she is one of those people who is willing to help anyone in trouble and doesn't wait to be asked, helps without expecting any applause. Has this blind spot, doesn't anthropomorphise, wish she would,then she might get it.

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    Farview, seems you have nothing to lose if you tell this numb nut exactly what you think.But I would still try a little diplomacy. I would print out a copy of your local canine councils breeders rules and regs and give those to her. Tell her the rules are put in place to protect bitches from being over bred.
    Then I would tell her that she as at real risk of the next pregnancy ending with a ruptured womb which would mean that the dog would have to have a major op and the possability of not surviving at all. The cost of such an operation , barring complications, would be upward of $2,000.
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    I am so sorry FV that you are in this position with a (like the term) numb nut (maybe better numb Brained bogan idiot" Sometimes there is nothing we can do as it is a free world.
    I wouldn't end the friendship..the idea of keeping friends close and enemies closer comes to mind as is, dog forbid anything does happen, you will be around for the (canine) bitch.

    Any posts made under the name of Di_dee1 one can be used by anyone as I do not give a rats.

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    I am delighted to report that the bitch has been neutered and no longer is going to deal with litters....yay
    I think after we chatted she went away and it sank in. Like I said she is not a nasty person just comers from a different era.

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    'farrview' - that is the best news for that poor little female pup !

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    One down - now - so many more to be 'educated' !

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