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    so i ignore that they chop bits off their dogs still, as humans think dogs should have guinea pig ears and no tails. As time will deal with this, maybe?
    And we in Australia hound and berate people who do not cut out vital hormone producing organs. In babies - forget the fact about growth issues and things like spey incontenance, inverted vulvas etc. We chop a lot more out in larger surgeries then ear cropping and tail docking, frankly we need to bring it back.

    As for attitudes, ours here in Australia is so far back it's not funny. We call most natural dog reactions aggression, we fear most dogs and their behaviors (mostly unrealistically) we're restricting more and more where dogs can be taken and we are strangling dogsports out of existence.

    America has it's drawbacks but they at least realise big powerful breeds need the right equipment and outlets. We're going to be left with toy dogs working off batteries soon here the way we're going.

    Get broken into and attacked enough times, protection dogs can be a justification. I would have nothing, I mean NOTHING left if I did not own dogs

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    My "protector' barks when we are sitting outside in the park with her at someone 10 meters away, but hides around the corner if she doesn't know it is us coming home. I do not rely on her to protect me! But then that is not why i have a dog.

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    Many people in Australia think that 99% of male dogs here are gay... Now please, I'm not trying to say anything about ****sexuality, my issue is with people's complete lack of understanding when it comes to dog behaviour.

    The sad thing is, the more we restrict where you can and can't take dogs, the harder we make it for people to socialise and train their dogs and then more incidents happen and so dogs are restricted even more.

    Your options as an Aussie wanting to live with a dog are extremely limited - most rentals won't allow to you have pets and even if you own an apartment, most body corporates won't allow them either. I've been asked in my professional life whether I've ever felt that being a woman has made things more difficult for me. I never have - might just me, but I honestly have never felt that my gender affected my prospects. But something that has impacted on more decisions than I ever anticipated has been dog ownership. I have to live further away from my work than all of my colleagues because there are no pet friendly rentals in the city, I can't live in apartments so then there's all the maintenance costs associated with living on land as well, I spend more on rent - I lived in a semi once where the side that was pet friendly charged $100/week than the other non-pet friendly side and I spend more on commuting as a result of having to live further away. I mean I would never say that I regret my dog, I couldn't imagine life without him, but when people talk about how expensive it is to own a dog, they focus on vet bills, feeding costs etc. That's not even the tip of the iceberg.

    As a result, owning a pet is very much a luxury item. But to be very honest with everyone here, I was diagnosed with an anxiety disorder and depression and prescribed medication and sessions - like so many people in today's society. I got the dog, and I've never needed to take a single pill or go to any sessions. The difference is, instead of being on subsidised medication and benefits, I pay 10's of 1000's in tax each year to pay for others who need those services, whilst also paying all the costs associated with owning my dog which of course are not subsidised but again support others in the community. I'm not saying it's all the dog, or that having a dog is the answer to everyone's problems, but I think he plays a part in it and I do wonder about the impacts of making it increasingly harder for people to have dogs.

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    Absolutely agree 99bottles. We're looking to move closer to the city to cut down on commuting cost and time and it's an absolute nightmare to find a place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    And we in Australia hound and berate people who do not cut out vital hormone producing organs. In babies - forget the fact about growth issues and things like spey incontenance, inverted vulvas etc. We chop a lot more out in larger surgeries then ear cropping and tail docking, frankly we need to bring it back.

    As for attitudes, ours here in Australia is so far back it's not funny. We call most natural dog reactions aggression, we fear most dogs and their behaviors (mostly unrealistically) we're restricting more and more where dogs can be taken and we are strangling dogsports out of existence.

    America has it's drawbacks but they at least realise big powerful breeds need the right equipment and outlets. We're going to be left with toy dogs working off batteries soon here the way we're going.

    Get broken into and attacked enough times, protection dogs can be a justification. I would have nothing, I mean NOTHING left if I did not own dogs
    Trouble is that owning an entire dog has resposibilities and unlike in some countries where people understand this, it is not something I have observed so much over here. There seems to be an unending continuous flow of un wanted puppies and kittens, dumped pregnant bitches and poorly bred animals. Not to mention out of control populations of feral dogs and cats.

    As to growth issues etc, been sterilising my working dogs for all my life and havent yet observed a problem although in the last few years I have been sterilising them later although to be honest I havent noticed any differences. I dont really see the benefit of cropping dogs tails and ears apart from giving them a certain look. Certainly with my working dogs the tails serve as a vital balancing mechanism as well as communication to other dogs.

    I do agree however attitudes to dogs have been becoming increasingly restrictive, possibly because there are a lot of people who do the wrong thing. I rent out a small house and my tenants have a cat and a dog, but they are fantastic and they pay no more than similar rentals that do not allow dogs. Look after the house beautifully and dog and cat cause no problems. I have had a friend however who allowed dogs and the dogs tore the place apart. An experience like that is what is feared.

    I do dog sports however over in the west we dont have any of the protection sports which is pretty big in America and Europe I think that is what Nekhbet is referring to? I would agree there that people who know how to handle these dogs are very restricted. I guess it is fear and ignorance about these sports and dogs.

    I am mainly involved with working sheepdogs and they are still strongly in existance thank goodness.
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    Trouble is that owning an entire dog has resposibilities and unlike in some countries where people understand this, it is not something I have observed so much over here. There seems to be an unending continuous flow of un wanted puppies and kittens, dumped pregnant bitches and poorly bred animals. Not to mention out of control populations of feral dogs and cats.

    As to growth issues etc, been sterilising my working dogs for all my life and havent yet observed a problem although in the last few years I have been sterilising them later although to be honest I havent noticed any differences. I dont really see the benefit of cropping dogs tails and ears apart from giving them a certain look. Certainly with my working dogs the tails serve as a vital balancing mechanism as well as communication to other dogs.

    I do agree however attitudes to dogs have been becoming increasingly restrictive, possibly because there are a lot of people who do the wrong thing. I rent out a small house and my tenants have a cat and a dog, but they are fantastic and they pay no more than similar rentals that do not allow dogs. Look after the house beautifully and dog and cat cause no problems. I have had a friend however who allowed dogs and the dogs tore the place apart. An experience like that is what is feared.

    I do dog sports however over in the west we dont have any of the protection sports which is pretty big in America and Europe I think that is what Nekhbet is referring to? I would agree there that people who know how to handle these dogs are very restricted. I guess it is fear and ignorance about these sports and dogs.

    I am mainly involved with working sheepdogs and they are still strongly in existance thank goodness.
    Instead of educating the public, we berate them. A bitch cant get magically pregnant on her own, it takes a fair effort for that to happen and sorry, if you don't realise putting a boy and girl together = puppies you shouldn't have a dog, not just an entire one.

    Our problems stem from money - cross breeds with ridiculous names and equally rediculous price tags, people hounded into taking bad temperament rescue dog because you HAVE to rescue a dog or you're an evil person from buying from a breeder ... please.

    docking has valid reasons in working dogs that were never bred with decent tail stock in the first place - your breeds were bred with a decent tail in mind, too many dogs were not and now have rubbish, thin, bony tails that break - adult docking is horrific, baby puppy at 2 days in nothing because there is not full nerve or vascularisation down the tail.

    Dogsports I mean schutzhund, protection sport, IPO etc. The reason the number of people with the knowledge is low because they gave up or moved away to where they can do it. Remember the dogsports trainers were not just limited to training their own sports but also helping people with these breeds - they were specialised people who could help owners with their dogs even if they didnt want to do the sport. Between the ANKC, GSDC, RSPCA and government, we're losing knowledgable people at an alarming rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nekhbet View Post
    Instead of educating the public, we berate them. A bitch cant get magically pregnant on her own, it takes a fair effort for that to happen and sorry, if you don't realise putting a boy and girl together = puppies you shouldn't have a dog, not just an entire one.

    Our problems stem from money - cross breeds with ridiculous names and equally rediculous price tags, people hounded into taking bad temperament rescue dog because you HAVE to rescue a dog or you're an evil person from buying from a breeder ... please.

    docking has valid reasons in working dogs that were never bred with decent tail stock in the first place - your breeds were bred with a decent tail in mind, too many dogs were not and now have rubbish, thin, bony tails that break - adult docking is horrific, baby puppy at 2 days in nothing because there is not full nerve or vascularisation down the tail.

    Dogsports I mean schutzhund, protection sport, IPO etc. The reason the number of people with the knowledge is low because they gave up or moved away to where they can do it. Remember the dogsports trainers were not just limited to training their own sports but also helping people with these breeds - they were specialised people who could help owners with their dogs even if they didnt want to do the sport. Between the ANKC, GSDC, RSPCA and government, we're losing knowledgable people at an alarming rate.
    I dont know how you educate the public about breeding, the reasons some people breed their dogs are ridiculous. Usually either totally emotional or because they dont understand the breeding cycle or they are just plain selfish and want pups irrespective because it satisfies their needs. Beats me really. I know a well respected super smart scientist who is convinced that every bitch needs to be bred once which is what he does with his mutts (random designers). I cant reason with him at all. I am totally not a fan of designer breeds and the way they are bred. Money factories as far as I am concerned.

    On the question of tails yes my breeds have great useful tails. Hadnt thought of it from any other perspective but I can see your point. Dont get the ear thing though. Mine have floppy and errect ears and apart from checking the floppies for grass seeds, no issues.

    My view on rescue and I have 3 is that I rescue them if they suit my needs and pass my scrutiny. So far they have all been good as they were working bred ending up in innapropriate suburban homes and were very salvageable. I personally wouldnt rescue a dog with major issues. My first choice is a dog from a breeder who is breeding what I need but I will rescue if I see potential.

    Yes IPO, Schutzhund etc shame to see the good handlers of these dogs and sports go. I personally dont have any problem with these sports.

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