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    I was wondering if anybody ever considered/ tried soundproofing a room in their home to mask outside noise (especially other dogs barking), or to contain their own dog's barking. Note that I am NOT advocating this as a way to avoid giving your dog the training and attention it needs, or so you can leave it all day every day. I am just curious as it seems like an easy way to stop problems such as separation anxiety from bothering the neighbours while you work on it, or to prevent incessant barking from dogs around you from stirring up your dogs. I am aware that 'proper' soundproofing is very expensive, but wondering if anyone ever tried carpet/ curtain/ cardboard/ foam etc with any success (since dog barks might be higher pitched than say drums) at masking barking??? If I could soundproof my laundry this way I could at least go out to dinner or a movie occasionally without worrying about my dogs going mental if I can't get a dog sitter.

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    'Megan Tones' - regarding soundproofing an area - one thing you have to realise is that a pup's hearing can only be described as awesome compared to our hearing. So soundproofing an area or room for the pup - I would class as very very expensive and probably not possible.

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    When Riley first came to my place - he would bark at the sound of a falling leaf. As I live on acreage - you can see where I am going here ..........

    Every time he barked - I acknowledged it - and saw what he was barking at. I also started teaching him the 'leave it' command - so if it was nothing - I would tell him so and I then would use that command.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RileyJ View Post
    'Megan Tones' - regarding soundproofing an area - one thing you have to realise is that a pup's hearing can only be described as awesome compared to our hearing. So soundproofing an area or room for the pup - I would class as very very expensive and probably not possible.

    Training is the only way to go! Some links for you:


    http://www.dogforum.com.au/puppy-discussion/652-puppy-development-calendar.html


    Free downloads | Dog Star Daily

    Knowledge Base | Steve Courtney Dog Training

    kikopup puppy tips - YouTube

    Leslie McDevitt: Control Unleashed�: Home Page

    Patricia McConnell PH.D. | McConnell Publishing Inc.

    When Riley first came to my place - he would bark at the sound of a falling leaf. As I live on acreage - you can see where I am going here ..........

    Every time he barked - I acknowledged it - and saw what he was barking at. I also started teaching him the 'leave it' command - so if it was nothing - I would tell him so and I then would use that command.
    Hope this helps ! smiley-eatdrink004.gif
    This is all helpful stuff and the dogs are actually doing pretty well with ignoring things when I tell them to (which I can only do when I'm home). I was more thinking about soundproofing more so my neighbours can't hear my dogs. We used to have a lovely person next door who would work 12 hours a day (during the day) so he never heard/ unwittingly disturbed the dogs. Now we have a family with little kids who are always yelling and yahooing in the yard. The dogs have learned to pretty much ignore them when I am home, but presumably they (the dogs) can still hear the kids even when they are inside and bark accordingly. I was thinking more of some easy way to muffle a room in the house. Unfortunately the dogs may still bark alot even after a 2-3 hour walk/ play session and with a ton of interactive food toys. They are a territorial and highly strung breed so I thought this would be a kinder solution than bark collars. I should add that often the dogs aren't too bad, but sometimes their barking behaviour re-emerges out of the blue and they might bark pretty much non stop all day long. It is especially bad if I leave the house outside my normal routine hours (have been out to dinner maybe a dozen times over the 5 years I have had them for this reason).

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    I would certainly try it to mask it from neighbours if I had to. No idea how though.
    Can you also mix around your routine so they do not become anxious and see it as normal?
    This is a great reason why I have never had a strict routine with any of mine over 30 years so anything is accepted as normal.

    I do realise though that it is in some dogs' nature's to be this way.
    Have you tried a thundershirt?

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    The thunder shirts are a really good idea and we had a lot of success from a similar product called the original anxiety wrap. I am not sure if the dogs habituated to it or whether it stretched out and lost its effectiveness a bit. Either way, I find myself replacing them a couple of times a year when the dogs stop responding to them. Their behaviour is certainly better than it was before I started using them. I also have the DAP collars but would like to know how I can use them intermittently without decreasing their effectiveness too much (even on ebay they are quite expensive) - maybe keeping them in the freezer? I have had the DAP unit suggested to me but again it is quite an expense for a situation that only occurs a few times a week (would def try it if I worked full time) - plus my partner who can be super paranoid is worried about it being a fire hazard or affecting us in some way.

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    My dog is insanely brilliant at training me. And if yelling her head off uncued ever gets her something - she will try it on. A lot. So we do some crate training. And if she yells - I walk away like she's sprayed me with people repellent. If she's really persistant, I will cover up the crate so she can't see out. And if she manages to be quiet, then I will uncover it a bit. If she yells again - cover up...

    So you can start with all this close up and then move further away. You need to train a dog to be happy in the crate first, especially if you're going to use a soft sided one. Though really anxious dogs that aren't trained for the crate - can do themselves and a metal crate serious damage as well. Need to start with short times and then work up.

    If training is completely beyond you and your dogs, then maybe doggy day care might be an answer. Though the ones around here aren't always that convenient about drop off and pick up times.

    But training the dog is worth it. Really really important not to ever reward the dog for yelling at you. They're perfectly capable of pretending to be anxious if that works. For my dog, roo jerky in the crate gets her more excited than upset about me leaving home without her. She did used to carry on like a pork chop and howl when I left but it never worked so she got over it.

    And I can be quite forgetful when it comes to packing up and leaving, so I'd often make ten starts out and back before I actually left.

    The sound proofing will probably help your neighbours. Things like wall insulation and double glazing the windows, and hedges all help.

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    You can buy large sheets of acoustic foam from Clark Rubber, they are about $100 each from memory.
    Should be good for sound absorption, but have not tried them myself.

    As an aside, a neighbour that I spoke to today told me that our 2 dogs were barking at 2am this morning.
    I said that is funny, as they sleep in our bedroom, there is no dog door and we would certainly
    notice if they were barking. SO, NOT US.
    This neighbour is 2 doors down the hill in an area of 7-10 acre lots.
    We are on friendly terms with this family, but this is the second time it has been mentioned.

    How many barking complaints are a case of mistaken identity? Very many I think.
    Are you able to leave a recording device on when you are not home?
    I think this is the only way to find out if it is your dogs and how long it goes on for.

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    If you do not leave a human in charge of your dogs each day, in many cases they will bark/howl. I have been "guilty" of having dogs and a day-today job. I would NEVER do it now, knowing what I do. My life allows me to be with or near my guys 24/7. But if I had a 9/5 job....these days I would not have a dog. 90% of my dogs have been fine if I left them occasionally for a short time. Many of them NOT so, if all day every day. HOWEVER. If you want to mask your dogs' noise, then you need to enclose them in a room that has at least a layer of several walls between you and neighbours. That will stop the complaints. But then to make it easier on the dogs, you need to have a sound-deadening-room for the dogs. This is Sound Engineer stuff. Prevent echoes. Absorb noise. Hang blankets in layers. Basically, if you walk away from your dogs each day, then you WILL get bad reactions from various dogs...how to deal is a moot cal.....
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    I am going to hammer this point. You are trying to stop your dogs' noise while you are away from annoying your neighbours. But WHY ARE YOUR DOGS MAKING THE NOISE?
    Nick Peg n Benny (or is it Peg n Benny n Nick?)

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    I am home 95% of the time - had to knock back full time work because of disability anyway. We really only have one that barks and sets the others off - from the videos I have taken and her behaviour when I am home it is bossiness with a bit of anxiety thrown in (she just stands still and barks at nothing and then the others start, this was not a problem when she was away in the animal hospital so it's pretty clear that if I didn't have her this wouldn't happen).

    With a new/ non stretched out anxiety wrap she is virtually silent but as soon as it gets a bit of wear (I wash it in hot water to shrink it) it becomes less effective. She gets a lot of food toys as well which keep her occupied. I have to really watch at home that I don't give into her demands and set aside time on my terms. She would "force" me to play ball with her nearly all day if she could. As it is she gets walked twice a day and she is a 5kg 9.5 year old dog so she really shouldn't be that active.

    I have noticed her being a bit more unsure as she ages. Her history is that she came to us at 4 years of age after her previous owner died in hospital. As an unfortunate coincidence, I became seriously ill and was in hospital alot (had to have emergency surgery - talk about timing) from about a month after we got her. I was really ill and didn't have much say in anything so unfortunately she was alone alot with the other dogs, which I NEVER would have allowed had I had all my faculties (everyone kept telling me to forget the dogs and they would get used to being alone - well guess what they obviously didn't).

    We had to throw the lounge out when I got back from the hospital because it was soiled and ripped to pieces and the floor was wrecked in places as well. You can bet I tried to never call an ambulance again after that situation. Basically since adopting her and my illness it has been a constant battle to get past this problem with varying degrees of success (using calming/ anxiety prevention aides and desensitisation).

    Many times I go out and she will only bark 15-20 mins tops but sometimes she will do a lot more than that for no obvious (to me) reason or warning before hand. I basically just want to make sure I can keep the noise contained if she does have the odd really bad day - it's not meant to be avoiding the problem I am addressing. We just have a couple of neighbours I have noticed behaving very vindictively towards our dogs for no good reason (spraying the dogs with their hose while they are playing in our yard or going to the toilet).

    They are obviously not very nice people to do this when they think nobody is watching so I don't want to give them any excuse to take it further. I tried talking to them about it and they said there was no problem but their behaviour suggests otherwise (or they are just nuts). Of course I don't leave the dogs outside alone with people like that around.
    Last edited by Hyacinth; 08-30-2013 at 02:30 PM.

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